Somthing that hasnt been brought up in a while.

Grand-Ranger · 02-01-2002, 12:09 AM

For those of you that know me well this is very out of character. But I have been wondering...

What do you think the condistion of bin Laden is?

Do you think he is still alive, or dead? He had health problems. Somthing to do with his kindey. All that hectic life style may have got the beter of him by now.

There was a picture roaming around on TV of him. He looked very bad. Really pale and it looked like he lost an arm. Also there was this leter on TV from a person that e-mailed the show I was watching and the person said she noticed he was not wearing a turbon (sp) and was wearing some kind of cap thingy. If he did lose an arm he could have been wearing that too keep heat in his body.

On another note, do you think he is still in Afghanastan? There has been rumor of him going into Pakistan.

Now before you reply keep these rules in mind:

1) Keep it on topic, I dont want to go come into this thread tomrorw and read posts on somthing else.

2) No flaming. If you follow rule 1, then I dont think there are too many ways to flame ones opionon of this.

3) Follow rules 1 and 2 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Durwyn · 02-01-2002, 12:15 AM

Well as far as I heard we dont know. But we think he is dead, and I honestly think so too. With his pre historic technology that he uses hehe, I think he couldnt survive. Unless some goverment or special service is protecting him... In any case, I think we got it all under control.

WOLFGIR · 02-01-2002, 05:15 AM

Guess again, a new interview with him was released yesterday night at European time...

Jorath Calar · 02-01-2002, 05:29 AM

But that interview was taken in october, the pakistanian tv sation didn't want to release it but the CNN "stole" it...?
or so I heard...

I hope he is dead and rots in hell... and for me to wish that on anybody says a lot

WOLFGIR · 02-01-2002, 05:46 AM

Aha! Haven´t seen it.

Well I hope that he will be taken alive, would be for the best IMHO..

Scholarcs · 02-01-2002, 06:04 AM

He is very sick with diabetes and needs daily injections of insulin to survive. Of course the American bombs couldve stopped him getting that, unless he has a stockpile of it. He could be hiding anywhere.

I think that it will be for the best if he is never found. Reasons: 1) even if he is a terrorist, he is a sick old man, and I am humane. 2) If he is caught it will prompt more terrorist attacks, hijackings, hostage-taking etc. If the Americans want the terrorist issue to go away, they should let it die quietly, not with more civilians killed.

Cerek the Barbaric · 02-01-2002, 12:56 PM

I saw the video where he looked so pale and sickly. He definitely looked the worse for wear and his condition seemed to have deterioated at an incredibly fast rate. Of course, it's a medical fact that - once your kidney's shut down - your life expectancy drops to 2 days at best.

If he's dead, then I hope his body is found so that it can be confirmed. If he's alive, I hope he's captured and brought to justice. The American public needs "closure" on this issue. And we are already living under constant rumors of further attacks, so there is no reason not to blast bin Laden straight into the "arms of Allah".

Charean · 02-01-2002, 01:33 PM

I find it interesting that as sick as he may be, he still wields (sp?) quite a bit of power. As far as I know (and I could be wrong, the probability is high) he has some things in the works for more attacks whether he is around or not.

As far as his health, well... I do not wish him ill, but it would be nice if he realized that he is not accomplishing what he is setting out to do. Terrorism has a 100% failure rate - meaning that it NEVER evokes sympathy for the cause, but rather alienates. It confuses me why it is constantly used.

Sir Exxon · 02-01-2002, 01:41 PM

For a while ago, a former Taliban-soldier said that bin Laden died from a lunge-illness in the early December.
I dont believe it, but he says that he was there when he died...

see ya!

Ê†ë®Ñï†Ý · 02-01-2002, 01:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Charean:

As far as his health, well... I do not wish him ill, but it would be nice if he realized that he is not accomplishing what he is setting out to do. Terrorism has a 100% failure rate - meaning that it NEVER evokes sympathy for the cause, but rather alienates. It confuses me why it is constantly used.

I don't think he's trying to evoke sympathy but rather rudely tell the US government to keep their noses out of his business. Either way he's made his point, if in a rather inhumane way. I think his country might be at the stage where they have nothing left to lose so they're just going for it. Don't forget it's also the American government that trained these ppl to fight for them in the first place... I guess it's a bit like the dog that bites its master. Only America's not really Afgahn's master.

I'm sure there are other terrorist countries out there that just don't dare openly go up against America, I mean frankly no Country is stupid enough to go looking for total anihalation(sp?) although they might resent American interference in their affairs.

What the terrorists did was wrong. But Bin Laden's probably seen as a Hero for the terrorists now. No matter if America catches him or he dies he'll always be the Terrorists "Gahndi" in a kind of way.

Also the use of the word "Terrorist". If you think about it, back when America was fighting for it's independence, what did the English call that if not terrorism?

02-01-2002, 12:09 AM	#1
Grand-Ranger Galvatron Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: Everywhere I wanna go its already where I am,cause I am already there Posts: 2,130	For those of you that know me well this is very out of character. But I have been wondering... What do you think the condistion of bin Laden is? Do you think he is still alive, or dead? He had health problems. Somthing to do with his kindey. All that hectic life style may have got the beter of him by now. There was a picture roaming around on TV of him. He looked very bad. Really pale and it looked like he lost an arm. Also there was this leter on TV from a person that e-mailed the show I was watching and the person said she noticed he was not wearing a turbon (sp) and was wearing some kind of cap thingy. If he did lose an arm he could have been wearing that too keep heat in his body. On another note, do you think he is still in Afghanastan? There has been rumor of him going into Pakistan. Now before you reply keep these rules in mind: 1) Keep it on topic, I dont want to go come into this thread tomrorw and read posts on somthing else. 2) No flaming. If you follow rule 1, then I dont think there are too many ways to flame ones opionon of this. 3) Follow rules 1 and 2 [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ <br /><br />So if in the shaddows look behind you, because thats where the ranger will be.

02-01-2002, 12:15 AM	#2
Durwyn Elminster Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: New York Posts: 415	Well as far as I heard we dont know. But we think he is dead, and I honestly think so too. With his pre historic technology that he uses hehe, I think he couldnt survive. Unless some goverment or special service is protecting him... In any case, I think we got it all under control. __________________ <b>-Durwyn Foehammer</b><p><i>\"Don\'t you go a-meddling with old stone or cold wights or prying in their houses, unless you be strong folk with hearts that never faulter.\"</i> - J.R.R. Tolkien

02-01-2002, 05:15 AM	#3
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	Guess again, a new interview with him was released yesterday night at European time... __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

02-01-2002, 05:46 AM	#5
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	Aha! Haven´t seen it. Well I hope that he will be taken alive, would be for the best IMHO.. __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

02-01-2002, 06:04 AM	#6
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 1,557	He is very sick with diabetes and needs daily injections of insulin to survive. Of course the American bombs couldve stopped him getting that, unless he has a stockpile of it. He could be hiding anywhere. I think that it will be for the best if he is never found. Reasons: 1) even if he is a terrorist, he is a sick old man, and I am humane. 2) If he is caught it will prompt more terrorist attacks, hijackings, hostage-taking etc. If the Americans want the terrorist issue to go away, they should let it die quietly, not with more civilians killed. __________________ <br />\"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five\" - Groucho Marx<br />Member of the ORT Clan. <br />\"Some birds are not meant to be caged because their feathers are too bright\"<br />Ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs qui n\'ont point de bouche, ma voix, la liberté de celles qui s\'affaissent au cachot du désespoir. - Aimé Césaire<br />La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l\'on n\'a pas ri. - Sébastien Roch Nicolas

02-01-2002, 05:29 AM	#4
Jorath Calar Harper Join Date: October 6, 2001 Location: Iceland Posts: 4,706	But that interview was taken in october, the pakistanian tv sation didn't want to release it but the CNN "stole" it...? or so I heard... I hope he is dead and rots in hell... and for me to wish that on anybody says a lot

02-01-2002, 12:56 PM	#7
Cerek the Barbaric Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: North Carolina Age: 61 Posts: 3,257	I saw the video where he looked so pale and sickly. He definitely looked the worse for wear and his condition seemed to have deterioated at an incredibly fast rate. Of course, it's a medical fact that - once your kidney's shut down - your life expectancy drops to 2 days at best. If he's dead, then I hope his body is found so that it can be confirmed. If he's alive, I hope he's captured and brought to justice. The American public needs "closure" on this issue. And we are already living under constant rumors of further attacks, so there is no reason not to blast bin Laden straight into the "arms of Allah". __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/cerek/cerektsrsig.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Cerek the Calmth

02-01-2002, 01:33 PM	#8
Charean Hathor Join Date: March 6, 2001 Location: Waxahachie, TX Age: 60 Posts: 2,201	I find it interesting that as sick as he may be, he still wields (sp?) quite a bit of power. As far as I know (and I could be wrong, the probability is high) he has some things in the works for more attacks whether he is around or not. As far as his health, well... I do not wish him ill, but it would be nice if he realized that he is not accomplishing what he is setting out to do. Terrorism has a 100% failure rate - meaning that it NEVER evokes sympathy for the cause, but rather alienates. It confuses me why it is constantly used. __________________ And then there were 6.

02-01-2002, 01:41 PM	#9
Sir Exxon Zartan Join Date: October 15, 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 35 Posts: 5,367	For a while ago, a former Taliban-soldier said that bin Laden died from a lunge-illness in the early December. I dont believe it, but he says that he was there when he died... see ya!

02-01-2002, 01:58 PM	#10
Ê†ë®Ñï†Ý Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 7, 2002 Location: Oxford Age: 40 Posts: 307	quote: Originally posted by Charean: As far as his health, well... I do not wish him ill, but it would be nice if he realized that he is not accomplishing what he is setting out to do. Terrorism has a 100% failure rate - meaning that it NEVER evokes sympathy for the cause, but rather alienates. It confuses me why it is constantly used. I don't think he's trying to evoke sympathy but rather rudely tell the US government to keep their noses out of his business. Either way he's made his point, if in a rather inhumane way. I think his country might be at the stage where they have nothing left to lose so they're just going for it. Don't forget it's also the American government that trained these ppl to fight for them in the first place... I guess it's a bit like the dog that bites its master. Only America's not really Afgahn's master. I'm sure there are other terrorist countries out there that just don't dare openly go up against America, I mean frankly no Country is stupid enough to go looking for total anihalation(sp?) although they might resent American interference in their affairs. What the terrorists did was wrong. But Bin Laden's probably seen as a Hero for the terrorists now. No matter if America catches him or he dies he'll always be the Terrorists "Gahndi" in a kind of way. Also the use of the word "Terrorist". If you think about it, back when America was fighting for it's independence, what did the English call that if not terrorism? __________________ ~blows kisses around~<br />♥~¤Ê†ë®Ñï†Ý¤~♥<br /><br /><b>vulnerable... yet tempted </b><br />

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