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09-16-2001, 10:15 AM | #83 | |
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Of course, they too were ultimately acting in their own self interest, having decided by that point that war with Hitler was necessary to preserve Europe and themselves from the threat posed by Hitler. I am NOT arguing that the US is unique in acting in its own self interest. On the contrary, that is a trait shared by governments the world over throughout history, for the most part. |
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09-16-2001, 10:19 AM | #85 |
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I agree that it (removeing of unfair govt) was not the SOLE reason for any of the actions taken that I listed. Panama- Noriega had lost a legal election, witnessed by former President Carter, who was there for verifacation of the election. Noriega did not want to give up power because he was under inditment(sp?). I think you are refering to Grenada (sp?)with President Reagan. I was refering to Haiti in the early 90's. The Haitian leader Jean Par somthing or another had lost a legal election and also refused to give up power. The USA was flooded with boat people. Dominican Republic President Johnson sent troops in when rebels tried to sieze power, after the elected gov't had been over thrown a year or two earlier. The civl war was causing chaos in the entire country. Other countries of the Organization of American States joined in. Soviet block - Communism can hardly be considered a "fair form of Govt." ------------------ "the memories of a man in his old age, are deeds of a man in his prime" |
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Anyway that was my point, that we aren't alone in those actions/reactions. Now, that's not to say that ethically or morally we are necessarily right! Just that it is or seems to be the 'norm' for international relations. With any luck, things will change, not overnight, I'm afraid but hopefully a more 'global' awareness is coming. And I imagine we had no such treaty with Poland or we'd have honored it, or I'd like to think we would have. Those countries that did, were honoring a treaty and, as you mentioned, acting in their self interest. I don't for a minute think I have the answers to the present situation. I suspect those in the positions to be making the decisions are pretty tense and concerned about their decisions right now. All I can do and certainly hope others do is pray (if you are inclined to that action) or hope for the overall 'right' thing to be done. Cloudy ------------------ Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan Storm-Queen Raven's Cloud StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever "To sleep, perchance to dream..." |
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However, we should at least try to rise to the occasion, we should at least try to live up to what the situation calls for. |
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09-16-2001, 10:46 AM | #90 | |
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Yes, I was thinking of Grenada instead of Haiti. My bad. I don't think we really disagree here on the central point here. My point is simply that the US government has been historically motivated by self interest. That's all. |
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