Kensai/Thief!! WOW!

Gary Smith · 12-11-2001, 01:25 PM

People think that kensai/mages are great but a kensai/thief is much better! I mean you get your kensai up to 13th level and then dual to a thiefs go up levels quicker so you soon get your kensai abilities back and then you get the use any item ability and your invincible, i mean your kensai can wear armour!!! Kinda defeats the point of being a kensai, with a kensai thief you get all the benefits of both classes with NO disadvantages because you can use gauntlets as well.

I mean my kensai/thief has montolios cloak so he suffers no penalty at all for duel wielding and he has Spectral Brand +5 and The flaming sword +5. and then if you take into account the fact that thiefs get the assasiantion ability and the backstab modifier is x5 and you have a killing machine. I mean you use the Kai ability to do maximum damage and then the assasination ability for backstab modifier and i did 250 points of damage with one critical hit!!!

YOu should all try this, the use any item ability makes the game far too easy.

Worm · 12-11-2001, 01:34 PM

That seems like it would make the game dull. I suggest you play through BG1 as a human necromancer and try to kill ulruant.

Dundee Slaytern · 12-11-2001, 01:41 PM

Kensai->Thieves are good, but do not be so quick to dismiss the Kensai->Mages. Kensai->Mages earned their reputation for a good reason, and you should also know that magic is very powerful in ToB.

Jim · 12-11-2001, 02:30 PM

quote:
YOu should all try this, the use any item ability makes the game far too easy

You've only just realised??

Cerek the Barbaric · 12-11-2001, 04:15 PM

The Kensai/Thief sounds pretty good, but can you choose the Assassin kit when you dual?

If so, then you would get x7 Backstab in addition to the "Assassination" special ability.

Dreamer128 · 12-11-2001, 04:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
The Kensai/Thief sounds pretty good, but can you choose the Assassin kit when you dual?

If so, then you would get x7 Backstab in addition to the "Assassination" special ability.

You can't dual to any kit ever. Sorry

Eldoran · 12-11-2001, 04:28 PM

... You forgot to mention setting a time trap, luring the critter into its effect, then unleashing your assasination/kai fury. [img]smile.gif[/img]

... Yes, use any item is really poorly balanced when taking into consideration dual and multi class characters... But hey, if you enjoy playing that way then the game has served its function.

Yggdrasil · 12-11-2001, 04:51 PM

Kensai-thieves are awesome. Just finished ToB with a solo swashbuckler, and he's almost an exact copy of the kensai-thief class.

I agree that the Use Any Item is unbalanced - my AC was around -26 for most of ToB, thanks to some fine lookin armor I found lying around...plus other assorted goodies and a natural AC of -5. Being able to cast spells from scrolls was pure overkill.

Eldoran · 12-11-2001, 09:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Yggdrasil:
Kensai-thieves are awesome. Just finished ToB with a solo swashbuckler, and he's almost an exact copy of the kensai-thief class.

Good job Yggdrasil... How were the tough fights?

Yggdrasil · 12-11-2001, 10:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Eldoran:

Good job Yggdrasil... How were the tough fights?

Thank you.

Melissan was by far the toughest. Other than that, Balthazar. I usually just exploit my traps abilities. With such a low AC, the problem is restricted to dealing with spellcasters; I discovered I can usually ignore melee fights: minimal damage.

But I have yet to pit the Swashy against improved bosses.

12-11-2001, 01:25 PM	#1
Gary Smith Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Scawby, England Posts: 41	People think that kensai/mages are great but a kensai/thief is much better! I mean you get your kensai up to 13th level and then dual to a thiefs go up levels quicker so you soon get your kensai abilities back and then you get the use any item ability and your invincible, i mean your kensai can wear armour!!! Kinda defeats the point of being a kensai, with a kensai thief you get all the benefits of both classes with NO disadvantages because you can use gauntlets as well. I mean my kensai/thief has montolios cloak so he suffers no penalty at all for duel wielding and he has Spectral Brand +5 and The flaming sword +5. and then if you take into account the fact that thiefs get the assasiantion ability and the backstab modifier is x5 and you have a killing machine. I mean you use the Kai ability to do maximum damage and then the assasination ability for backstab modifier and i did 250 points of damage with one critical hit!!! YOu should all try this, the use any item ability makes the game far too easy. __________________ Me: What!! you cant kill me!<br />GM: I can do anythink i want.<br />Me: What did i do!!<br />GM: Your not being a party player<br />Me: Im Neutral Evil for Gods Sake!<br />GM: So your calling upon the gods of ravenloft to save you then.<br />Me: what....<br />[GM rolls the D20]<br />GM: Well thats a 15, added on 5 for all those graves youve robbed in the past adventure, thats a 20. Powers check please.<br />Me: Oh Cr*p.<br />[Me rolls D20]<br />Me: I got a 5<br />GM: Your still alive.<br />Me: Woohoo!!<br />GM: But your now half goat.<br />Me: Oh... WOOHOO!!

12-11-2001, 02:30 PM	#4
Jim Quintesson Join Date: May 1, 2001 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England Age: 43 Posts: 1,088	quote: YOu should all try this, the use any item ability makes the game far too easy You've only just realised??

12-11-2001, 04:15 PM	#5
Cerek the Barbaric Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: North Carolina Age: 61 Posts: 3,257	The Kensai/Thief sounds pretty good, but can you choose the Assassin kit when you dual? If so, then you would get x7 Backstab in addition to the "Assassination" special ability. __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/cerek/cerektsrsig.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Cerek the Calmth

12-11-2001, 04:21 PM	#6
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	quote: Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: The Kensai/Thief sounds pretty good, but can you choose the Assassin kit when you dual? If so, then you would get x7 Backstab in addition to the "Assassination" special ability. You can't dual to any kit ever. Sorry

12-11-2001, 09:21 PM	#9
Eldoran Dungeon Master Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 96	quote: Originally posted by Yggdrasil: Kensai-thieves are awesome. Just finished ToB with a solo swashbuckler, and he's almost an exact copy of the kensai-thief class. Good job Yggdrasil... How were the tough fights?

12-11-2001, 01:34 PM	#2
Worm The Magister Join Date: December 2, 2001 Location: PA Posts: 114	That seems like it would make the game dull. I suggest you play through BG1 as a human necromancer and try to kill ulruant.

12-11-2001, 01:41 PM	#3
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Kensai->Thieves are good, but do not be so quick to dismiss the Kensai->Mages. Kensai->Mages earned their reputation for a good reason, and you should also know that magic is very powerful in ToB.

12-11-2001, 04:28 PM	#7
Eldoran Dungeon Master Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 96	... You forgot to mention setting a time trap, luring the critter into its effect, then unleashing your assasination/kai fury. [img]smile.gif[/img] ... Yes, use any item is really poorly balanced when taking into consideration dual and multi class characters... But hey, if you enjoy playing that way then the game has served its function.

12-11-2001, 04:51 PM	#8
Yggdrasil Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 94	Kensai-thieves are awesome. Just finished ToB with a solo swashbuckler, and he's almost an exact copy of the kensai-thief class. I agree that the Use Any Item is unbalanced - my AC was around -26 for most of ToB, thanks to some fine lookin armor I found lying around...plus other assorted goodies and a natural AC of -5. Being able to cast spells from scrolls was pure overkill.

12-11-2001, 10:27 PM	#10
Yggdrasil Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 94	quote: Originally posted by Eldoran: Good job Yggdrasil... How were the tough fights? Thank you. Melissan was by far the toughest. Other than that, Balthazar. I usually just exploit my traps abilities. With such a low AC, the problem is restricted to dealing with spellcasters; I discovered I can usually ignore melee fights: minimal damage. But I have yet to pit the Swashy against improved bosses.

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