Everyone Read -- Concerning Respect for Mods and other Members

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Slizerio: Uh.. would my nerd post be considered insulting? Here it is http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=012529;p =1 Sorry if i offended anybody...

I looked at the first post of your thread, and I don't see that as insulting. I would be the first to agree I am a nerd.

[Ziroc]

I just wanted to add something here...

PLEASE (to new users and old) don't feel like you have to 'walk on eggshells' when posting.. i.e. don't be afraid of us. We are here to help you!! [img]smile.gif[/img] As long as you read the rules, and follow them, you have nothing at all to worry about. 99.9% of the rules are just common sense and courtesy..

So enjoy yourself! Sit back, relax and enjoy Ironworks! That's what we're here for [img]smile.gif[/img] .

[DJG]

What exactly has been going on here?

I think I've got most of the story, but what I have never understood is why rebellious people don't have respect for people who uphold rules that need to be upheld.

It's like this at school as well.

Also, if you would rather not answer my first question moderators, don't. I don't want to ask for repeat of an explation that you have given somewhere else.

[NiceWorg]

I am absolutely amazed to the way things are run in here. Ziroc is doing a great job webmaster-wise, but there is one thing that is close to a justice murder.

Neb was banned simply because he disagreed with mods. The problem here is that you CANNOT disagree with mods without having to be feared that your account gets deleted, even if you do it politely and haven´t hurt anyone´s feelings. We are all equal, people. Everyone has right to disagree with anyone, and show it with good manner, too.

Luvian and Ronn_Bman (sp?): "If you don´t like it, leave" Of course no one wants to leave Ironworks if they don´t have to. That´s human nature. If we see that something is wrong with the acts of moderators or rules, we try to correct them (politely), of course. And when Neb tried to do this, he was banned. You call that justice?

And the #1 point. I most politely ask: please remove the "foolish follower" or whatever reads next to Neb´s name, you are DEGRADING the person by doing so. You are showing that you don´t have any respect to a long time member, and yet wonder why he didn´t respect you. Lets not make fun of anyone, okay?

Same thing with the other member whose account you banned (Lord something?) Please remove that too. Although in his case, the banning was absolutely justified for what he did to a mod.

Respect is earned. If mod´s do their job like they should, I keep on giving applauds. They are polices, true, and personally I wouldn´t even consider putting anyone down here in the forums. Like someone said, it´s really recommended that moderators would even sometimes SHOW practical examples of what you cannot do here.

I wonder if I get my account deleted for expressing my opinions. *sighs*

Thanks for reading.

[ 11-24-2002, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

Let me see here... you all are tring to say that the mods are turning IW into a police state??!! (Wouldn't suprise me!?) [img]graemlins/egypt.gif[/img]

[Sigmar]

Originally posted by NiceWorg: Neb was banned simply because he disagreed with mods. The problem here is that you CANNOT disagree with mods without having to be feared that your account gets deleted, even if you do it politely and haven´t hurt anyone´s feelings. We are all equal, people. Everyone has right to disagree with anyone, and show it with good manner, too.

Neb was banned? I thought that was his new avatar, how did it happen?

[NiceWorg]

Which avatar are you referring to?

Neb was a long time member of this board, it´s sad that he´s not here anymore, and that he´s made fun of. I don´t understand the reasons why he was banned, maybe they refer to some thread I didn´t manage to find.

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by NiceWorg: I am absolutely amazed to the way things are run in here. Ziroc is doing a great job webmaster-wise, but there is one thing that is close to a justice murder. Neb was banned simply because he disagreed with mods. The problem here is that you CANNOT disagree with mods without having to be feared that your account gets deleted, even if you do it politely and haven´t hurt anyone´s feelings. We are all equal, people. Everyone has right to disagree with anyone, and show it with good manner, too. Luvian and Ronn_Bman (sp?): "If you don´t like it, leave" Of course no one wants to leave Ironworks if they don´t have to. That´s human nature. If we see that something is wrong with the acts of moderators or rules, we try to correct them (politely), of course. And when Neb tried to do this, he was banned. You call that justice?

Neb wasn`t banned for disagreeing with the mods. He was banned for publically questioning moderator decisions; which translates to trying to make the mods look bad.
We have a right to question the mod's decisions, but PM or email is a far better way to do it than a public thread.
All of the rules here exist for a reason, most of them being common sense.

Try putting yourself in Ziroc's shoes. You run a large forum and someone publically questions your authority, what are you going to do ?? Probably you wouldn`t let that slip, especially not if it was as direct as "I have a problem with the way you run your own site".

[Sigmar]

Originally posted by NiceWorg: Which avatar are you referring to? Neb was a long time member of this board, it´s sad that he´s not here anymore, and that he´s made fun of. I don´t understand the reasons why he was banned, maybe they refer to some thread I didn´t manage to find.

The avatar below his username. It says BANNED in a humorous bold red text.

And I do know who Neb is btw [img]tongue.gif[/img]

HADB loses another member.

[Sigmar]

Originally posted by LennonCook: quote: Originally posted by NiceWorg: I am absolutely amazed to the way things are run in here. Ziroc is doing a great job webmaster-wise, but there is one thing that is close to a justice murder. Neb was banned simply because he disagreed with mods. The problem here is that you CANNOT disagree with mods without having to be feared that your account gets deleted, even if you do it politely and haven´t hurt anyone´s feelings. We are all equal, people. Everyone has right to disagree with anyone, and show it with good manner, too. Luvian and Ronn_Bman (sp?): "If you don´t like it, leave" Of course no one wants to leave Ironworks if they don´t have to. That´s human nature. If we see that something is wrong with the acts of moderators or rules, we try to correct them (politely), of course. And when Neb tried to do this, he was banned. You call that justice?

Neb wasn`t banned for disagreeing with the mods. He was banned for publically questioning moderator decisions; which translates to trying to make the mods look bad.
We have a right to question the mod's decisions, but PM or email is a far better way to do it than a public thread.
All of the rules here exist for a reason, most of them being common sense.

Try putting yourself in Ziroc's shoes. You run a large forum and someone publically questions your authority, what are you going to do ?? Probably you wouldn`t let that slip, especially not if it was as direct as "I have a problem with the way you run your own site". [/QUOTE]True Lennon, very true. Shame to see him go though.