The Draft

[Epona]

Originally posted by Earthdog: Go to Isreal and any 4 year old will tell you if you see a bag unattended CALL THE BOMB SQUAD.

As is the case in the UK. Haven't you ever heard of the IRA? I've seen a large bomb go off thank you very much, and my office was hit by a car bomb once. Did anyone (man or woman) break down and cry? NO. I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of your post, because as far as I am concerned it is a pile of generalised, prejudiced, crap - and far removed from reality. You only see what you want to see, as far as you are concerned women are weak and scared little babies, so you cannot see the courage in us.

[Redblueflare]

Go ahead I say, but i'm certain most wouldn't *want* to be drafted. Earthdog you're making it sound like men are calm, cool, and collected in every situation. They are just as capable of losing it as women are.

[WOLFGIR]

Having served my time in the armed forces and seen companies that had women in the infantry I can tell you that most women do what the guys want. Quit! They can go back home, was it to tough? Yes mentally, doing service as the only women among 30 guys in their 18-22 years.. Thats tough.

I think generally though that women should get the oppurtunity to do armed services if they like to. We are drafted here in Sweden but since the latest cut backs in the army, few do service now adays.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Epona: As is the case in the UK. Haven't you ever heard of the IRA? I've seen a large bomb go off thank you very much, and my office was hit by a car bomb once. Did anyone (man or woman) break down and cry? NO. I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of your post, because as far as I am concerned it is a pile of generalised, prejudiced, crap - and far removed from reality. You only see what you want to see, as far as you are concerned women are weak and scared little babies, so you cannot see the courage in us.

Epona, you rock girl! I absolutely agree with you...
I also agree that it's probably not worth any intelligent person's time to respond to this, but oh well... just call me stubborn.

Earthdog, sorry mate but if I had to point out the stronger sex, it would be women. Ever heard of men being collectively abused, raped, molested? No. Women - a MAJORITY of the women, have experience with this sort of thing. They go through pain in labour, they go through pain each month - they usually have a much higher pain treshhold than men. They are not macho-ish about it, true, but that doesn't mean the strength isn't there. You are completely WRONG about women responding to duress and shock by whining and crying. You really have no clue. The difference is that men brag about physical strength, and women silently have mental strength that can be indestructable.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Redblueflare: Go ahead I say, but i'm certain most wouldn't *want* to be drafted. Earthdog you're making it sound like men are calm, cool, and collected in every situation. They are just as capable of losing it as women are.

Absolutely true.

[caleb]

Melusine now your being just as stereotypical as earthdog [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[caleb]

I would just like to celebrate my first controversial thread reaching page 2 without being locked or deleted. Its been a struggle but we made it [img]graemlins/usa.gif[/img]

[Melusine]

Originally posted by caleb: Melusine now your being just as stereotypical as earthdog [img]tongue.gif[/img]

No, I'm not. I think men and women are both capable of being incredibly cowardly and incredibly courageous, I don't discriminate in that respect. What I was pointing out is a fundamental difference between men and women which is the cause of prejudiced bias like Earthdo is displaying. Women suffer more at the hands of men than vice versa, and what I wanted to point out is that men simply CANNOT have any idea of the strength women must have to overcome that.

Anyway, knowing your usual attitude towards women, and I don't care whether it's jocular or not, makes me pretty sure I don't want to have a serious discussion with you about this.

[ 05-27-2002, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

women winning things over by whining or crying? since when? maybe some do, but then some Men do similar

Trying to categorise either is ridiculous as there are always exceptions to whatever trait is attributeed to either gender

[mistral4543]

My views are:

Q1 - If the country has enough volunteers to serve in the army to begin with and could afford to not set this as mandatory, by all means go by this arrangement.

Q2 - If women want to serve, then they should be allowed to join with the full knowledge that they should not expect special privileges. If it should come to a situation whereby the physically/emotionally weak members (both men and women) are identified (and proven to be so without doubt), they could be redeployed to a supporting role. This could optimise the resources available.

EDITED - For grammatical reasons [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 05-27-2002, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: mistral4543 ]