the ultimate betrayal [MAJOR chapter 5 spoilers]

Pirengle · 07-31-2003, 09:20 PM

(I think that Lower Dorn's Deep is Chapter 5. This next part contains some MAJOR Lower Dorn's Deep spoilers.)
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Down the the Lower Dorn's Deep oubliette, you get to the sfvirneblin village and discover the truth behind the ultimate betrayal. Question is, is there any way to exact justice by slicing the person in question into little itty bitty pieces? I haven't finished HoW yet.

Dundee Slaytern · 07-31-2003, 11:53 PM

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Remember to buy the items BEFORE you attack!

Jim · 08-01-2003, 06:09 AM

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He can be killed (although as Dundee correctly states not via quest means). However, as soon as he is attacked, he turns hostile and escapes via dimension door. Since he is drow, he has high magic resistance, as well as impressive saving throws (against spells anyway). You can therefore try and stun him with a high level chromatic orb/other holding spell, and then hack him to pieces. (although this will take many attempts!). However, last time I played this, he used dimension door, but did not leave the map, he just moved to another location within the village - the temple to be exact, upon where he recieved a savage beating from my team of ultimate badasses.

However, if you choose to leave him well alone, I wouldn't worry because

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He makes another apperance in IWD II

moiraine sedai · 08-01-2003, 10:01 AM

He makes another apperance in IWD II

OOOOOOOOH!

Moiraine Sedai

Xen · 08-01-2003, 10:02 AM

[img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] Just like Seamon Havarian in Baldur`s Gate [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yanez · 08-01-2003, 11:58 AM

This topic is already marked as spoilerish, so I won't add another spoiler tag.

As I recall Nym always teleports himself (at least in my games, he did) to temple in svirfneblin village, when you attack him. Obviously he knows that svirfneblin are softhearted bunch and Beorn will resurrect him after your party exacts justice over him. So from roleplaying point of view his reappearance in IWD 2 is OK.

[ 08-01-2003, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: Yanez ]

Bozos of Bones · 08-01-2003, 01:48 PM

The little bastards role in IWD2 is explained, but what about Malavon, Ginafae and a few others? Personally, when I saw any of them in IWD2 i slaughtered their resurrecting asses(I haven't crossed the profanity limit yet, have I?). Offcourse, I did off their quests first, I'm not a dumb ass(how about now?). If the creators would hold it to some kind of pattern I'm wondering if they will come back in IWD3, if there will be such a thing.

NobleNick · 08-19-2003, 01:41 PM

AAaaarrrggghhh....

I finally got around to meeting this slimeball, and would have sliced and diced him on the spot had I not been forewarned. I am glad I allowed myself to get spoiled by you guys beforehand. I am also glad no one gave away the particulars: It was enough to know that he is dirt bag AND a necessary NPC with which to interact to complete a high-value quest.

I noticed an item name, in the room (near Nym's store) where you can rest, and other item descriptions around the village, that I think tie back to events/storyline in the Prologue; but it has been so long since I've started the game that I have forgotten. Does anyone remember if the connection (if there is one)?

Well, I got my arms full of quest items, and I am going back to a certain place to get a whole boat load of expo for at least two quests (and pick up a necessary item to complete yet another). I should level up most all of my guys. Then I'll place the last 2 of my 6 badges to clear the way to RBP. Then I am going back to a certain dark elf to buy everything I think I'll ever want from him. And **THEN** it is Cuisinart time for said elf....

Are there advantages of any kind, either way, to entering combat via dialogue vs. just surrounding and starting a smack-fest on him?

What's a party,
without a song?
Bards ROCK!
Party On!!

Yanez · 08-19-2003, 01:54 PM

I haven't noticed any difference between challenging him through dialogue and smacking him, but I usually let the dwarf or an elf in my party to deliver first blow, since they were the races that suffered most from Nym's scheeming.

pritchke · 08-19-2003, 02:24 PM

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In IWD2 Malavon, Ginafae and a few others that return are explained. While with Ginafae your suppose to save her not kill, her brother Malavon is not who he appears in IWD it is just a clone of the real Malavon, gone amock, and the first clone you face is a clone of the clone. I actually enjoyed this little continuing story in IWD2. If there were an IWD3 they would probaly be included again. One of the things I really liked about IWD2 was, "I remember that NPC, Cool".

[ 08-19-2003, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

07-31-2003, 09:20 PM	#1
Pirengle Symbol of Cyric Join Date: April 20, 2003 Location: Sarasota, Florida, USA Age: 41 Posts: 1,101	(I think that Lower Dorn's Deep is Chapter 5. This next part contains some MAJOR Lower Dorn's Deep spoilers.) . . . . . (If you haven't finished the game, and don't want to be spoiled... . . . . . ...please stop reading. Thank you!) . . . . . Down the the Lower Dorn's Deep oubliette, you get to the sfvirneblin village and discover the truth behind the ultimate betrayal. Question is, is there any way to exact justice by slicing the person in question into little itty bitty pieces? I haven't finished HoW yet. __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/pirengle/quintesson.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

08-01-2003, 10:01 AM	#4
moiraine sedai Zhentarim Guard Join Date: January 25, 2003 Location: Tar Valon Age: 39 Posts: 335	He makes another apperance in IWD II OOOOOOOOH! Moiraine Sedai __________________ ~The wheel weaves as the wheel wills~

08-01-2003, 01:48 PM	#7
Bozos of Bones Apophis Join Date: July 29, 2003 Location: The Underdark cavern of Zagreb Age: 37 Posts: 4,679	The little bastards role in IWD2 is explained, but what about Malavon, Ginafae and a few others? Personally, when I saw any of them in IWD2 i slaughtered their resurrecting asses(I haven't crossed the profanity limit yet, have I?). Offcourse, I did off their quests first, I'm not a dumb ass(how about now?). If the creators would hold it to some kind of pattern I'm wondering if they will come back in IWD3, if there will be such a thing. __________________ MAKE LOVE, NOT SPAM!

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07-31-2003, 11:53 PM	#2
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	If you are referring to, ~ ~ ~ ~ Spoiler ~ ~ ~ ~ Nym, then short of doing it directly, there is no quest way to do it. The conclusion of Nym's role in the tragedy was unfortunately left unfinished. As it is, you can just buy the necessary stuff from Nym( which he apparently stole from the Severed Hand. You need them to finish some quests there, and restore some life/diginity to it), and then fillet his guts. Remember to buy the items BEFORE you attack!

08-01-2003, 06:09 AM	#3
Jim Quintesson Join Date: May 1, 2001 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England Age: 43 Posts: 1,088	Spoiler ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ He can be killed (although as Dundee correctly states not via quest means). However, as soon as he is attacked, he turns hostile and escapes via dimension door. Since he is drow, he has high magic resistance, as well as impressive saving throws (against spells anyway). You can therefore try and stun him with a high level chromatic orb/other holding spell, and then hack him to pieces. (although this will take many attempts!). However, last time I played this, he used dimension door, but did not leave the map, he just moved to another location within the village - the temple to be exact, upon where he recieved a savage beating from my team of ultimate badasses. However, if you choose to leave him well alone, I wouldn't worry because SPOILER ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ He makes another apperance in IWD II

08-01-2003, 10:02 AM	#5
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	[img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] Just like Seamon Havarian in Baldur`s Gate [img]smile.gif[/img]

08-01-2003, 11:58 AM	#6
Yanez Manshoon Join Date: September 13, 2002 Location: Sunny side of the Alps, a.k.a. Slovenia Age: 47 Posts: 194	This topic is already marked as spoilerish, so I won't add another spoiler tag. As I recall Nym always teleports himself (at least in my games, he did) to temple in svirfneblin village, when you attack him. Obviously he knows that svirfneblin are softhearted bunch and Beorn will resurrect him after your party exacts justice over him. So from roleplaying point of view his reappearance in IWD 2 is OK. [ 08-01-2003, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: Yanez ]

08-19-2003, 01:41 PM	#8
NobleNick Quintesson Join Date: February 5, 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Age: 63 Posts: 1,045	AAaaarrrggghhh.... I finally got around to meeting this slimeball, and would have sliced and diced him on the spot had I not been forewarned. I am glad I allowed myself to get spoiled by you guys beforehand. I am also glad no one gave away the particulars: It was enough to know that he is dirt bag AND a necessary NPC with which to interact to complete a high-value quest. I noticed an item name, in the room (near Nym's store) where you can rest, and other item descriptions around the village, that I think tie back to events/storyline in the Prologue; but it has been so long since I've started the game that I have forgotten. Does anyone remember if the connection (if there is one)? Well, I got my arms full of quest items, and I am going back to a certain place to get a whole boat load of expo for at least two quests (and pick up a necessary item to complete yet another). I should level up most all of my guys. Then I'll place the last 2 of my 6 badges to clear the way to RBP. Then I am going back to a certain dark elf to buy everything I think I'll ever want from him. And THEN it is Cuisinart time for said elf.... Are there advantages of any kind, either way, to entering combat via dialogue vs. just surrounding and starting a smack-fest on him? What's a party, without a song? Bards ROCK! Party On!!

08-19-2003, 01:54 PM	#9
Yanez Manshoon Join Date: September 13, 2002 Location: Sunny side of the Alps, a.k.a. Slovenia Age: 47 Posts: 194	I haven't noticed any difference between challenging him through dialogue and smacking him, but I usually let the dwarf or an elf in my party to deliver first blow, since they were the races that suffered most from Nym's scheeming.

08-19-2003, 02:24 PM	#10
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 49 Posts: 3,491	Some spoilers - - - - - - - - - In IWD2 Malavon, Ginafae and a few others that return are explained. While with Ginafae your suppose to save her not kill, her brother Malavon is not who he appears in IWD it is just a clone of the real Malavon, gone amock, and the first clone you face is a clone of the clone. I actually enjoyed this little continuing story in IWD2. If there were an IWD3 they would probaly be included again. One of the things I really liked about IWD2 was, "I remember that NPC, Cool". [ 08-19-2003, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

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