Clerics vs. Wizards - Page 6

Rataxes · 06-10-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Assassin:

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The potential power of Harm is greater than that of any Arcane spell, even though it may have very specific uses.

Except it only affects one target, who you have to hit first. And, if the target doesn't have PfMW up anyways, he's already dead from my frontline fighters, whom are inevitably Improved Hasted. [/QUOTE]Well, yes. But there are certain monsters (bosses mostly) that can be dealt with more quickly with Harm than with brute force. Yaga-Shura and Abizigal being two of them.

[ 06-10-2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Rataxes ]

Assassin · 06-10-2003, 07:27 PM

Improved Abazigal crashes for me when I use the Time Stop + Harm combination. (Well, he dies anyways in something like 4 rounds with warriors) And Yaga-Shura, for me, I still find it easier to buff up using Resist Fire spells/items and whack him to death.

Assassin · 06-10-2003, 10:30 PM

Oops, I mean that Improved Abazigal stays at Near Death when I use that combo on him.

Russ · 06-11-2003, 09:28 AM

ToB-lalala... [img]smile.gif[/img]

You want potency in combat? Consider the ramifications of that humble, "worthless" first-level spell, Sanctuary.

'nuff said.

Mick the bard · 06-11-2003, 10:32 AM

I find it strange that no one has mentioned Raise Dead.

Turn Undead is sweet: Nothing quite like walking in a dungeon destroying all manner of nasty rotting things as soon as they come into view without lifting your finger more than once. [img]smile.gif[/img]

PS: is there a mod somewhere that would make silence 15' radius the mini-dead magic-zone that it is supposed to be? Something that I miss about that spell from the tabletop game

andrewas · 06-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Raise dead? Do I see a Rod of Ressurection anywhere? Thought so.

Turn undead can be useful though.

Mick the bard · 06-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Rod of Resurrection?

If you want to waste gold, sure. After all we know mages don't spend a copper for their scrolls...

Oh wait, that's a cleric/druid thing too

untouchable · 06-11-2003, 01:30 PM

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A Rod of resurection can be found in Mekraths abode in the temple sewers. And as it is the Rod is much better that it's spell counterparts. As for wich class is better, it depends on how you play them: I've seen players who try a wizard and have no luck, but with a cleric they waltz through the game and vice versa.

As for pure destructive force, none can match the output of a sorcerer, timestops and ADHW in chapter two are just lethal.

Clerics and mages a both very powerful classes IF you play them correctly, they both also have the potential to be horible if played incorectly. To each his own on the matter of wich one is better.

Omicron · 06-11-2003, 02:43 PM

Um, lets face it, this is a moot point. Wizards own Clerics, period. In 2E edition anyway. Especially in BG2, where Clerics get the MAJOR shaft. 3E actually favors the cleric, with much more diverse and higher spell selections, and the ability to actually fight.

In BG2, a typical example of your cleric: Walk around with High AC, try to swing at your target, miss, stand around and cast a spell. WHILE casting the spell, the wizard casts timestop, improved alacrity, and before the cleric gets his spell off, the battle is already over.

Xen · 06-11-2003, 02:46 PM

Hmm. No kidding. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

06-10-2003, 07:27 PM	#52
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 1,134	Improved Abazigal crashes for me when I use the Time Stop + Harm combination. (Well, he dies anyways in something like 4 rounds with warriors) And Yaga-Shura, for me, I still find it easier to buff up using Resist Fire spells/items and whack him to death. __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

06-10-2003, 10:30 PM	#53
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 1,134	Oops, I mean that Improved Abazigal stays at Near Death when I use that combo on him. __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

06-11-2003, 09:28 AM	#54
Russ Manshoon Join Date: November 9, 2001 Location: Texas, baby! Posts: 163	ToB-lalala... [img]smile.gif[/img] You want potency in combat? Consider the ramifications of that humble, "worthless" first-level spell, Sanctuary. 'nuff said. __________________ --What? What will come out no more, huh?

06-11-2003, 11:12 AM	#56
andrewas Harper Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 43 Posts: 4,774	Raise dead? Do I see a Rod of Ressurection anywhere? Thought so. Turn undead can be useful though. __________________ [img]\"http://www.sighost.us/members/Zvijer/andrewas.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

06-11-2003, 01:30 PM	#58
untouchable Manshoon Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: calgary Age: 41 Posts: 155	small item spoiler ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ A Rod of resurection can be found in Mekraths abode in the temple sewers. And as it is the Rod is much better that it's spell counterparts. As for wich class is better, it depends on how you play them: I've seen players who try a wizard and have no luck, but with a cleric they waltz through the game and vice versa. As for pure destructive force, none can match the output of a sorcerer, timestops and ADHW in chapter two are just lethal. Clerics and mages a both very powerful classes IF you play them correctly, they both also have the potential to be horible if played incorectly. To each his own on the matter of wich one is better. __________________ Ninety-nine percent of the people in the world are fools and the rest of us are in great danger of contagion.<br />-Thorton Wilder

06-11-2003, 10:32 AM	#55
Mick the bard Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: Italy Age: 43 Posts: 7	I find it strange that no one has mentioned Raise Dead. Turn Undead is sweet: Nothing quite like walking in a dungeon destroying all manner of nasty rotting things as soon as they come into view without lifting your finger more than once. [img]smile.gif[/img] PS: is there a mod somewhere that would make silence 15' radius the mini-dead magic-zone that it is supposed to be? Something that I miss about that spell from the tabletop game

06-11-2003, 12:58 PM	#57
Mick the bard Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 21, 2003 Location: Italy Age: 43 Posts: 7	Rod of Resurrection? If you want to waste gold, sure. After all we know mages don't spend a copper for their scrolls... Oh wait, that's a cleric/druid thing too

06-11-2003, 02:43 PM	#59
Omicron Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 29, 2003 Location: USA Age: 39 Posts: 26	Um, lets face it, this is a moot point. Wizards own Clerics, period. In 2E edition anyway. Especially in BG2, where Clerics get the MAJOR shaft. 3E actually favors the cleric, with much more diverse and higher spell selections, and the ability to actually fight. In BG2, a typical example of your cleric: Walk around with High AC, try to swing at your target, miss, stand around and cast a spell. WHILE casting the spell, the wizard casts timestop, improved alacrity, and before the cleric gets his spell off, the battle is already over.

06-11-2003, 02:46 PM	#60
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 37 Posts: 8,554	Hmm. No kidding. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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