Good News.

Originally posted by Rokenn: Well only one of those occured in the US, but I do stand corrected on the 93 WTC bombing. But it was not on the scale of 9/11. Also I'd point out that Clinton did bring the people responsable for the WTC bombing to justice without invading a country or two. But I'm willing to call it even once Bush brings OLB to justice for 9/11.

Ahem [img]smile.gif[/img] hehe this is said with humor and not malice or spite....

"So for Clinton to take credit for things initiated by The Justice Department and the FBI is kind of like him taking credit for sunshine during the Summer"


:hee:

Edit: I may be wrong, but I believe if the President really wanted to he could have forced an ouster of Greenspan....so he is in some small way responsible for Alan being there...but only a nut would get rid of the guy.

[ 12-19-2003, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Timber Loftis]

One of Bush's early quick decisions was to keep Greenspan. As with my "ride the wave" comment, deciding to stick with the previous administration's programs and decisions that work is in itself wisdom. We can't remake the gummint every 4 or 8 years, we must realize that many projects take more than 4 or 8 yearst to complete so "one man" will never be able to claim complete responsibility for them, and in the end who cares who was at the helm of a well-governed nation.

The President helped liberate Europe from Germany, the President won the cold war, the President once balanced the budget, and the President invaded Iraq, twice. From the sociological standpoint, the history of the president can be seen as one ongoing story, and viewing it that way may provide some insight.

Ey! I never thought of it that way TL [img]smile.gif[/img] ....hmm now I am going to have to think about it some more....

[Dreamer128]

Originally posted by MagiK: EU Politicians vote themselves a 30% pay increase.

If you are referring to the changes in wages from the European Parliamentarians, you should know that the salary was previously dependant on how much a parliamentarian was paid in the land of origin. Meaning that (for instance) a Euro Parliamentarian from Hungary, would get about 9000 Euros a year, while his/her Italian counterpart earned up to 130 000! Now, all Euro Parliamentarians get 100K a year. Some face decreasing salaries, while the pay checks of those from poorer memberships may gain a few numbers.

Also, the parliamentarians will soon have to pay a 20% income tax to the Union, in addition to the taxes they're already paying to their respective national government.

[ 12-19-2003, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Dreamer128 ]

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Rokenn: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Alan Greenspan is part of "The Administration."

Yes Greenspan is part of the Administration, but his being there is not the result of decisions made by the Current Administration. So for Bush to take credit for things initiated by Greenspan is kind of like him taking credit for sunshine during the Summer [/QUOTE]That same statement holds true for the Previous Administration also, Rokenn. Because Greenspan being there wasn't a result of Clinton's administration either. Yet it seems that many of Bush, Jr.'s critics have no problem allowing President Clinton to bask in the ample amount of economic sunshine Alan Greenspan provided during his tenure.

For the record, Alan Greenspan was appointed as Head of the Federal Reserve in 1987. So if "credit" can only be given to the President and Administration responsible for appointing Alan Greenspan in the first place, that would have to go all the way back to Ronald Reagan.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by MagiK: As for deregistered, I asked to have the account deleted as I had grown tired of some of the issues and wanted a break from the non-stop attacks on christians, the US Conservatives and the President. I know these things have not changed, but I wanted to be able to post in the gaming forums again so that when I got stuck in HotU I could find help. I was pleased to see your recent admission of unwarrented hatred for George Bush. Nice to see some honesty.

Good to see you back MagiK, I understand exersizing the better part of valor and all that.

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Why would you think I am not him? All of my information is exactly the same...I suppose my sig is a bit different than it was before, but that is just because I don't remember what it was before. Your post count is only 5. As for deregistered, I asked to have the account deleted as I had grown tired of some of the issues and wanted a break from the non-stop attacks on christians, the US Conservatives and the President. Never attacked Christians. Never attacked US conservatives merely for holding their views. Never attacked the US President (until this one) I know these things have not changed, but I wanted to be able to post in the gaming forums again so that when I got stuck in HotU I could find help. I was pleased to see your recent admission of unwarrented hatred for George Bush. Nice to see some honesty. It isn't unwarranted and hatred is too strong a word. Loathing covers it. Some honesty from you would be nice Magik. You re-registered simply to post this thread. I know this for a fact because I've been anticipating this thread being posted for the last 24 hours. I read it when you originally posted on another forum, when you further stated: "Well yeah.....I even am thinking about making a guest appearence at another forum to post this" The WAR in Iraq was concluded some time ago, there were record low casualties never before in history have so few been injured in such a broad conflict, as YOU yourself well know. If you believe my statements are false, post the information proving it, I see no reason to do your research for you. In the past that generally meant that you had no proof. I've done the research but was unable to corroborate your assertion. What is left is called rebuilding, and rounding up stragglers. As for my list it is good news....for the US, yes. Some would argue that a strong and robust US is a good thing for everyone...but I don't care. I agree. But why is it good news for the US that the EU Commissioners have had a salary raise?

[/QUOTE]We know you don't care about the USA Donut, you've made it clear. Kinda sad, I figured you were someone that DID care about others.

[Davros]

Come now Z - surely it is possible to think well of Americans without thinking well of Senor Bush. If the two aren't mutually exclusive sets then there a whole lot of Americans that are non-republicans that must hate their own country and themselves a whole bunch. There are many posters on this forum that are scathing of one side or the other of politics. Let's face it, this thread could just as easily have been cut and pasted from something like the NRO as a Bush "party political". Let's not believe that it hasn't been posted to attract an opposing response.

Back on topic, Welcome back MagiK - I see there is a ray of sunshine back in our lives. TL has someone to the right of him again and will be able to shift his politics back to a more liberal line now [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just one note that I wanted to make in reply to your original post - I think the 202 people that lost their lives on October 12 2002 to terrorism from Muslim extremists deserved more respect then the treatment they got from your one liner. True it hasn't happened again on American soil - BUT IT AIN"T OVER and you would be foolish to believe that the western world can return to its old levels of complacency.

[skywalker]

Just don't lump me in the same demographic American group as Bush! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Mark

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You're welcome MagiK! Keep them beers coming, and I'll be your bestest friend!!

On your point however: is there some sort of progress made by the fact that none of the terrorist attacks (of the 3200 you mentioned) succeeded? I recall hearing that the WTC attack was all of the sudden because they weren't expecting a real attack: they had received numerous threats (as they always do). The fact that threats are not put into real life has nothing to do with the administration or Bush's government alone. The terrorists play an even bigger (or at least equal) part in that.

In short: I think the situation is more or less the same when it comes to native (i.e. attacks on American soil) attacks. Before 9/11 people were just less attended to what was happening in international politics. With the attacks of 9/11 the government has probably felt it as its duty to inform its citizens of a possible, more than they would have done before the attacks on the World Trade Center.

(fuzzy story, but I hope you get my point)