God BG 2 sucks ssoooooo bad !

[Kaltia]

I have played every single one of the ff series and I just want to laugh at you. poor, misguided soul. *sigh* i feel for you, man. Ff is not anything like Baldur's Gate in that baldur's Gate is actually any good. ff is just repetative crap.
And yes, before you diss me, i am an avid RPG game player, even playing hybrid crossbreeds like Legend of Zelda and the kakky little RPG on the GBA (Golden Sun). baldur's gate is the best. Out of the lot. And you get three different endings in ToB...what more do you want???

[Kaltia]

Originally posted by Cannibal Monkey: quote: Originally posted by Kronostia: lol..FF is different from Bg...the story and turns in FF...lol BG doesnt even come close...and the style of fighting and everything is totally different... And the personal lives of the characters in FF is sssssooooooooooooo more alive and complex then BG so.... I still say..BG sucks

Plot twists...
Vampirism, family killings, curses, killing former friends, etc. don't appeal to you as plot twists?

Personal lives...
You can't have played the game without noticing the banter between your NPCs, the romances (which have SERIOUS character development in them - turning your whinging little elf girl into a proud mage or turning a black hearted Drow soft and gooey like butter) and the web of friends, alliances, contacts and enemies that abound in BG2.[/QUOTE]the stories in ff are all crappy likkle ones made up by a stoned science fiction freak anyway. Did you know the Baldur's Gate world has been around since AT LEAST 1985? No, I bet you didn't...did you?
The world has had ample time to develop (which it has done, rather smoothly) with published books such as RA Salvatore's drizzt series providing a solid base. The ff series relies on thousands of crappy...repetative...boringly bland sequals and a host of teenage boys who would have a heart attck over how good Diablo II was.

[Calaethis Dragonsbane]

SPOLIER

BAh it is ONE thing to voice an opion, and totally anotehr to critise someone, because they like a game, or dislike it. You shouldnt be so nasty about the BG seris. Arcanum *was* good, but... it was also annoying; Bg in my opion was a LOT better, and IF u had played TOB u would NOT be complaing at the lack of choices. there were 3. happy? FF seris... dont like it. the only one I *did* like was ff8. and I dont care what u have to say on the matter. squall was a jerk tho, most of the time. anyway thats besides the point. DONT have a go at BG. it WAS original when it came out. I cant think of ANY other game where you were the child of a God. yeah its been done in books, but NOT games. none I can remember anyway.

[ 07-14-2002, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Calaethis Dragonsbane ]

[Kaltia]

Yep it's definatly a key Sci fi/fantasy theme.

[Jerr Conner]

BG and BG2 not good? Well I guess that's your opinion, but I seriously do think you've underestimated the game a little.

Sure, in Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2, you do have a lot of mini-quests. However, mini-quests are fun and refreshing from the big quests. Also, at least in Baldur's Gate 2, you can pick to roleplay an evil person. An evil person doesn't just go around killing people, they do evil things.

You can choose to side with Bodhi.

A theif steals, which is considered an evil act.

After all of the 'mini-quests', it's your option to go and kill every single little villager all you want. The fact that you lose reputation for killing 'good people and innocent people' portrays a realistic view. Do you see any killers and murderers and theives winning any popularity contests in the real world? No.

Both games have good graphics, and a decent plot with many little plots added to it with the mini-quests.

The characters aren't developed enough? Just because they don't show absolutely every single little aspect of a character's personality doesn't mean that the characters aren't developed enough. Do we really want to know every single little aspect of a fictional character? I know I don't want to know what Anomen does when he gets constipated, and I sure don't want to know about Aerie's feminine problems! We get enough of a view of the character's to have satisfaction.

Jaheira in BG2 is a woman who just lost her husband and is conflicted at whether she should move on or remain single. She also has to deal with a conflict of a personal matter. The person she possibly falls in love with either threatens the balance, or restores it. Meanwhile, her friends and co-workers think that she's betrayed them, or that she's blinded by her friend who happens to be a little different. She has to fight her co-workers and friends without almost any choice because they attack. She has two outcomes, either she sees you as being an ultimately good person who will restore the balance and she will get her occupation back, or she won't and she'll be confused as to what choices she should have made and never get her job back.

Aerie is a woman that has lost something very dear to her, her ability to fly. She has also lost some of her limbs in a sense and feels like a 'cripple'. She's utterly in dispair, because she can't do something she used to do. She's just like all of those people who have lost their legs and now have to depend on someone else to do something because they can't do it for themselves anymore. She feels weak, helpless, dependent just because she lost her ability to fly. She needs someone to help her see that she has a whole world ahead of her to look forward to.

All of the characters have a major personality trait that surfaces through. All personality traits that are that big aren't just one thing, they're many things. I can't be just a happy person for not having any reasons or other personality traits that help with that happiness. Neither can a fictional character.

As for BG2 having one ending, where? At the end:

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If you romanced anyone, you have four romanced endings for an NPC that include your own future, leaving a lot of imagination to what happens.

You can also choose to be a god, or remain a mortal.

That's a total of 6 possible endings, two possible endings for your character, or one possible ending whether they romanced or not. If they romanced, they can still pick godhood.

[Kronostia]

These are all very good arguements..But one thingy..i played BG series for 6 months...been active here checking for quests i havent done....i did SoA, ToB TDD, Bg1, that add on and some of the mods to it... have DONE The BG series...
So i got some flesh on my bones when i diss this game..'
To Compare game endings in BG and Arcanum...geeeeezz u ppl got no idea what ya talkin about...
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In ToB you HAVE to fight melissan and kill her..then u choose what u wanna be.. in Arcanum u get a few choises...
Side with the ultimate evil and end all life on earth...fight him and save...or fight him and then kill all life anyways(my fav)...

And BG is a very shallow game...no feelings or emotions like in the FF series... Cloud..the most complex character created for a RPG game...
And stop with the lame personal attacks will ya, my i pity you was meant as fun
And i still think that Bg series is low compared to the other RPG/Fantasy games out there

[Lioness]

Calaethis! Would you mind putting a spoiler mark in your first post! [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] Thanks a lot...

In my experience, Bg has been fun. *shrugs* It's all a matter of opinion, Rather pointless to go back and forth saying "Bg sucks!" "No it doesn't!" "Yes, it does" "No" ""yes" Don't you think? Kronostia's entitled to his/her opinion. I doubt anyone can change it.

[Neb]

Hey, Krono, I agree that Cloud was an amazing character. Except for being such an awful wuss, Vincent should've been the main character instead

[Jerr Conner]

Originally posted by Kronostia: These are all very good arguements..But one thingy..i played BG series for 6 months...been active here checking for quests i havent done....i did SoA, ToB TDD, Bg1, that add on and some of the mods to it... have DONE The BG series... So i got some flesh on my bones when i diss this game..' To Compare game endings in BG and Arcanum...geeeeezz u ppl got no idea what ya talkin about... S P O I L E R In ToB you HAVE to fight melissan and kill her..then u choose what u wanna be.. in Arcanum u get a few choises... Side with the ultimate evil and end all life on earth...fight him and save...or fight him and then kill all life anyways(my fav)... And BG is a very shallow game...no feelings or emotions like in the FF series... Cloud..the most complex character created for a RPG game... And stop with the lame personal attacks will ya, my i pity you was meant as fun And i still think that Bg series is low compared to the other RPG/Fantasy games out there

If in Arcanum all you get is one more choice as compared to BG2: TOB, then what difference does it make? Also, like I already pointed out, just choosing isn't the ending, you still have the romances that tell the 'true' ending if you did have a romance.

Baldur's Gate itself may not have any 'depth', however what would you expect from a game made in 1996 for a PC? I can't remember that many games during that year made purely for 'depth', maybe only 3.

Baldur's Gate II has depth. It leaves a lot to the imagination.

Besides, this is all a matter of opinion. You may only think that BG is bad because you only spent 6 months on it. Truthfully, that's a long time to spend on a game, IMO.

I spent one and a half years on Baldur's Gate 2, I got it before I got Baldur's Gate. Most of the time, I restarted the game (Around Chapter 2) because I wanted more experience in the game (Another positive, you can re-import your character). I spent a lot of time on this game and had fun each time I played it.

I only spent a month on Baldur's Gate.

More time can make a difference, especially if you notice things that people tend not to notice.

[Maxamus]

Awesoem Arguement!!

BG Pros:

Ok, BG offers the cahnce to go totally evil, or totally good, and offers great classes and modficatsions to classes already inputted (dueling a thief for a mage)

Offers wide variety of wqeaposn choices. Youc an be good in bowmans hip and the blade

The massive plot development is amazing. You start of stupid in soem dungeon, to relizeing yuor soul has been stolen and must retrieive before it is used to becoema and god, and your left dead.

Cons: Your story is very comprized around a certain one thing, so beign a really good mage, or supremee ranger of good, does you no good, cause thats what you choose, and the game can't circle aroudn that

FF Pros:

Huge storyline

Awesoem Abilitys

Cool funney moments

You can explore and enitre worlds,w hcih is cool, but is also a con,casue then you know everything

Characters are built, so, for isntance, Cloud from FF7 is a warrior cause he was in Shinra's SOLDIER

Cons:

You can explore the whoel world and all surprize is ruined

No chocie of leadign your main character

Your enitre party developed by game standards,and you are given zero chance

Stupid Characters