Edwin or Nalia?

[Luvian]

We can negociate a price. I accept US and Canadian money, I don't take Credit Cards, only cash.

[Lady Blue03]

I was trying to make a point, my dear boy: So what if this guy likes Edwin over Nalia? Who cares whether or not its 'good' role playing Seeing as how youve never played an evil character before, who are you to say Edwin is a horrible choice for a good party, have you even played with him in your pary before? Sure he may talk about assassinating someone, but hes an NPC...he won't/can't do that unless its in his script...Im mean your reputation isnt the most important thing in the game after all...

[The.Relic]

Well fortunately this is just a game after all. And if there is anyone in here who thinks they are solely good with no bad qualities, there is still a whole bunch of growing up to do.
Just because a character has an evil status in their imfo window doesn't mean that you have to play them as evil. Sure Edwin will complain from time to time, in real life you will have conflicts in groups too. Viconia is also an evil aligned character, but many of us can appreciate what she brings to the group. I play Minsc and Edwin both, I keep them seperated and they have not had cross words. I personally enjoy Edwin because of his transformation after he attempts the nether scroll change. It is hilarious to hear him wail and complain about being a woman now, and the parties jabs at him. I make sure that he stays that way the whole game too. Excellent payback for the groups bad boy in my opinion..

[Lady Blue03]

Originally posted by The.Relic: [QB]Well fortunately this is just a game after all. And if there is anyone in here who thinks they are solely good with no bad qualities, there is still a whole bunch of growing up to do. Just because a character has an evil status in their imfo window doesn't mean that you have to play them as evil.[QB]

that, my friend, is all truth

[Luvian]

Just because a character has an evil status in their imfo window doesn't mean that you have to play them as evil.

That is the most stupid and uninformed thing I have ever heard about a D&D game. If a character has an evil aligment, it is because he is EVIL. HE is not a good guy in disguise, he is EVIL. Can an evil character make an action that could perceived by someone else as a good action? Of course, but the character would have done it for his own purpose, not to be helpfull.

This is a roleplaying game. When you chose an aligment at the beggining of the game, you are saying "I want to act this way". When you are recruiting a character with a specific aligment, you also should roleplay the character according to his aligment. Yes, the character say or hint that he will do evil things, but will never do them because he is a npc, but this is a limitation of the engine, if you recruit a black hearted assasin in your group, he won't just become a nice guy all of a sudden. YOU, as a human being playing a game, know the character can't do anything. But your CHARACTER, being a character is a fictionous world, does not know that. All he see is an evil red mage of Thay (an evil group of mages) who assasinated a GOOD spellcaster, who doubtless killed a lot more people in his quest to power, who does not care about anyone else except him. Someone who like to see people suffer, hate good people, and would kill your character if he had a reason to.

Who cares whether or not its 'good' role playing Seeing as how youve never played an evil character before, who are you to say Edwin is a horrible choice for a good party, have you even played with him in your pary before?

If you where reading the board more, you would know that I have played evil character before, both in video games, and as a Dungeon Master.

You would also know that when I roleplay an evil character, I will do any evil act that would fit the character. As can be seen on this topic: The first post I made here.

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001659;p=5

I also have played as an evil character in this game, and found it boring because almost all the quests and dialogs are for good characters. I also think there is not enough evil characters. That is why I am working on an Evil Mod. As can be seen in this topic, as well as a few others before that:

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...c;f=2;t=015095

AS you can see, I DO roleplay evil characters, and like it a lot. I am also working on a novel, I made a post about that too once, and I really like my evil characters in it.

I don't care weither Edwin is evil or not. I care about players who won't play the game as it should, or will conveniently forget the rules if it is to their advantages. I HATE ROLLPLAYERS. Why do you think they Added aligment to the game? Do you think it is just a little details there to fill a blank space? NO. It is a very important aspect of the game. Playing BG2 and not respecting aligments is like playing a mage and not learning any spells.

If you want to play an hack and slash game where you can do anything, then go play Diablo 2. It is a great game: http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/

If you want to play a game where there is a great conflict on people's personality and opinion on how one should act in life, then play Baldur's Gate and other Infinity Engine game.

[ 03-23-2002, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

[The.Relic]

Luvian, I can appreciate your belief and even desire for the "purity" of D&G and I respect it. You view however is that, it is your view. This is a game, not real life. I will respect your opinion as most of us will. But to insult other people because they do not view this game with the seriousness that you do, just does not do you credit.

[Lady Blue03]

All right, this will be the last thing i say, seeing as how you and i argue way to much *sniffs disdainfuly*
Im sorry for not know your life story on his entire board, i've only been here 2 months, and from what you said it sounded like you've never played an evil characer before...my apologies on that, i'm quite impetuous, if you havnt noticed..Plus, i never said aligments were a small thing, i know theyre a huge part of the game...reputation is a smidgeon different though(and yes i know ur reputation should be whatever for ur whatever aligment)
And as for playing Diabo2...if you saw my posts in the recent topic "Diablo or Baldurs Gate?" you would know that i have 2 accounts full of characters(thats 16 all together)all above level 90...my higest is a lvl 97 nova sorcerss...if you dont believe me...my accs are The~Lady_Blue and Lady_OfHardcore...i would love to duel you with my nova sorceress sumtime...if u wanna continue this debate PM me, we dont need to argue in somebody else's post
Edit: and i might add, the way you ah... critique othr people is not gonna gie you a very good ep on this forum...but im sure you dont care, so just ignore that

[ 03-24-2002, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Lady Blue03 ]

[Luvian]

I a not insulting you. I do not know you and do not know how you are. But I do think your comment was stupid and uninformed. I am attacking your position on this subject, not you. Don't take it personal, I hold no ill will toward you.

[Luvian]

I have no problems with you, Lady Blue. We do argue a lot, but it does not affect my opinion of you. I have often replied to some of your posts, and I think you are a very helpfull member of this board.

I do beleive you have characters in Diablo II. I have no reason not to beleive you. I also like Diablo II. I own it and the extension, althought I don't play it online. I tried the first day Diablo II came out and the connection was horrible, now I would not even touch battle.net with a 10 foot pole.

[The.Relic]

I appreciate your courtesy Luvian, and I truly can respect and appreciate your position. Those are your feelings and you have every right to have them. I and most people here will defend your right to feel this way. But we will also defend the rights of everyone else here to chose to play this grand game the way that they enjoy it most. One of the wonderful things about this game is the splendid variety built into so that people can play it any way they want to. I myself, the moderators and most of the people here will defend everyones right to enjoy this game whether they conform to the purity of the ideal or not.
I myself only play this game as a good aligned character, but this game forces us by nature of the way it is designed to make very questionable moral choices and actions. I could publish a volume on how immoral our actions have to become in order to complete this game, whether it is breaking and entering into other peoples properties, killing an NPC who really isn't evil themselves but because it is a necessary part of the plot, because the game doesn't offer us a viable diplomatic and peaceful resolution. A truly good aligned person would never kill period, unless there was no other alternative. They would walk away first, but this game wont allow that if you want to finish it. Accidentally killing an innocent because you were attacked in a crowded place at a a bad time, and your rep drops as a result. I could go on and on, but what would be the point. We are here to appreciate this great game, and to share with others who appreciate it as well.

[ 03-24-2002, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: The.Relic ]