OMGods !! Obama...

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca As well, Last evening the Science Channel had a beautiful documentry about plate tectonics and what's happening near the horn of Africa. An ocean being born, Earth changing before our eyes, ect. Good stuff.

great documentary saw it too.

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by Cerek Here are some facts for consideration. 6) Al Gore says that, if you can't reduce your energy consumption (like he and Tipper), then you can purchase "carbon offsets" to reduce your carbon footprint. In other words, you buy an excuse to use extra energy. Guess who is the silent majority owner of the company selling the "carbon offsets"? If you said "Al Gore", you may go to the head of the class. So, Al Gore was using excessive amounts of energy for his personal mansion (and office) while urging other Americans to reduce their energy use, but he justifies his excess consumption by using the house as an office and buying a permission slip from himself to offset the extra consumption. :uhoh2:

To be honest Cerek I can't blame Al Gore for that, Hale's Bells, if he can get folks to give him good money for some kind of carbon credit More power to him!!!! It just goes to show that P.T. Barnum under estimated the birth rate of suckers... Carbon Cerdits ROTFLMAO who are you going to turn the Credits in to... God? maybe the Mother nature police.... LMAO Good money for something made up.... what's the saying a fool and his money are soon parted... LOL way to go Al Gore I didn't know you had so much evil capitalist money grubbing conservative Repubilcan in you....


added: Climate police: Sir do you know why I pulled you over?
Driver: No sir
Climate police: well you are driving a big gas guzzling SUV and contributing to Gobal warming, I'm going to have to write you a ticket...
Driver: It's ok Officer I have this brand knew carbon credit I got from Al Gore
Climate Police: Oh ok sorry to have stopped you sir.
ROTFLMAO Skin'em Al Skin'em

[Cerek]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior Oh, there you are. Back to Al Gore again I see. Damn, I am still waiting on John D's answer concerning our Glenn Beck! No matter, I can keep up just fine. *puts on tinfoil hat* My acute memory yet again tells me we went through all of these "facts" before, back on the CE forums a year or so ago. Don't you recall..? That's how I know you never saw the movie. You are welcome to pretend it was never discussed but I, on the other hand, cannot.

Oh, you wanted facts specifically about the Glen Beck video. Very well.

Fact 1 - Glen Beck's account of Irene Sendler's story was 100% accurate, as verified by Snopes. As John D. points out, the only opinion given came in the last few seconds of the video.

Fact 2 - Just as John D. predicted, you focused entirely on the messenger rather than the message.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by John D Harris Not even close the only Opinion given by Glen Beck in the entire video consists of one sentence, " It is dispicable that she died without winning the nobel peace prize, but if you asked Irenea...." It comes in the last 15 seconds of the video. Now you wrote a lot of stuff about tactics then back them up with opinions on what those tactics meant. I at least backed up, the facts in the video with another sourse, and warned those who couldn't handle the truth given by Glen Beck. You've spouted nothing but drivel. I didn't say the movie wasn't worthy of a Nobel Prize, just not the PEACE PRIZE. I even sugested maybe the NOBEL SCIENCE PRIZE... but there could be a problem there since for the sceine prize the facts got to be there... and well Cerek has done a great job showing it would fail. But hey if'n you want to hang on to some movie being equal to saving human lives, be my guest.... and we conservative Repunlicans are mean people.... LMAO thanks Spirit you make it so easy....

See, this is why I tend to dismiss many of your posts. I don't know whether you don't get it, or just don't want to get it. But, you always seem to end up meandering off the points you're responding to, and oftentimes it looks like you miss the point completely.

I am gonna throw you a bone here, and show you exactly where your comprehension, and your post began to err. Look at this as a one-time service though. The red flags are raised in your opening lines.

Not even close the only Opinion given by Glen Beck in the entire video consists of one sentence, " It is dispicable that she died without winning the nobel peace prize, but if you asked Irenea...."

Lets break it down.

Not even close

Okay, I read this expecting to be proven wrong. Surely you have a countering argument with evidence that will oppose or disprove my own. Sadly it is not to be. The next line is this:

the only Opinion given by Glen Beck in the entire video consists of one sentence, " It is dispicable that she died without winning the nobel peace prize

Like I said, that didn't prove me wrong at all. It just proved me completely right. Lol, you even said "The only opinion" like having just one makes it okay.

What you don't see is that this is THE opinion I was referring to from the start. The exact one. I wasn't hoping he'd give his opinion on a local diner or the latest music. I was talking about him, stating the fact that he thought she should win it. And I have been from the start, yet look how long it took you to understand that, if you even do, after this.

Btw, saying stuff like this

and warned those who couldn't handle the truth given by Glen Beck.

doesn't help your cause and makes you scary like Glenn.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by Cerek Oh, you wanted facts specifically about the Glen Beck video. Very well. Fact 1 - Glen Beck's account of Irene Sendler's story was 100% accurate, as verified by Snopes. As John D. points out, the only opinion given came in the last few seconds of the video. Fact 2 - Just as John D. predicted, you focused entirely on the messenger rather than the message.

1. Again, didn't say the woman doesn't exist. Didn't say she doesn't or didn't do anything. What I did say, I have highlighted twice now. Both times for John D - spelled out to the point of overkill in my above post.

2. That's why he predicted it. If we didn't watch the messenger we'd all believe in the boy who cried wolf.

[Cerek]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior 1. Again, didn't say the woman doesn't exist. Didn't say she doesn't or didn't do anything. What I did say, I have highlighted twice now. Both times for John D - spelled out to the point of overkill in my above post.

No, you didn't say she didn't exist or do anything. You just simply dismissed the impact of her accomplishments based solely on the person telling the story.

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior 2. That's why he predicted it. If we didn't watch the messenger we'd all believe in the boy who cried wolf.

I thought you didn't want to talk about Al Gore anymore.

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BTW, as I looked back over the previous posts, I realized you had missed the point of my Pot/Kettle reference and I allowed myself to get sidetracked by your incorrect response.

To review, you stated....

The irony here is that if someone they "liked" won a nobel peace prize, it would be a prestigous and almost holy event, encompassing nothing but credibility and nuetrality.

My Pot/Kettle reference was aimed at the fact this is precisely how you are treating the award Obama received - because you "like" him.

[John D Harris]

Nice try spirit but no cigar, for someone who waxes long on they abilies, and tries to puff himself up by attempting to make other look bad. (see you response before about spelling) It was very clear the facts I was asking about refered to the below post you made. That's why I quoted it before asking for facts. So I'll quote it again for you.

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior This just sounds like whining. Basically you are mad that a person who you were told (by Glenn Beck) should get it, didn't. It is important to recognise the messenger in this case, a nuerotic man who's been all over the news for his nuttiness and overall being out-of-touch. Having him even mention this womans name does her a great dishonor, as he uses her story for his own political purposes (opposing Al Gore), rather than giving her the respect that is due. We've seen this kind of behavior before. It is similiar to what the Republicans did with the troops, using them as tools to garner a hushed respect with one hand, whilst furthering their own agendas with the other, and subsequently accusing anyone who disagrees with the right-wing as "unpatriotic" because it is an insult to the troops. Wtf? If anything is an insult, it is how they were used as scapegoats and propganda tools by the very people who claimed they supported them. If I were you, I would be mad about this more than anything else. And if you really care about this woman, and her selfless actions, and wanted to show her the kind of respect she deserves, you wouldn't buy into this BS in the first place.

Now that you have had the chance to reread your post, the post I was asking for the facts about. let's examine it.
1) what facts do you have that I am mad? Do you posses some magical power that from 4,000 miles away you can read minds? I'll offer you some free advice don't give up your day job, if you are counting on making a living mind reading. I've been here for years and any of the old timers can tell you that when I get mad, there is no doubt I'm mad I come out say it. I'm not some namby pamby afraid to speak and especialy not over the internet. What's the worst that can happen I get banned... big whoopty doo I've been shot at and shot before, WTF is an internet banning conpaired to that.

2)what facts do you have that Glen Beck is nutty, that is an opinion. Do you have an link, or copies of any papers of Glen Beck's commitment to a mental institution? What proof do you have to back that opinion? How about court documents got any of them? Prehaps a report from Licensed Therapist?

3)Still waiting on which words Glen Beck used that was a dishonor to Irena Sendler. Surely it can't be that hard to find after all you made a big show about your prowess with the English language, or is it only limited to spelling? hmmm... let me see I believe Glen Beck said: An amazing story I'll never forget, or words to that effect... hmmm amazing yep that sure sounds like dishonor to me... Oh and let's not forget that Glen Beck dishonored her by remembering her and her story... WOW the nerve of Him doesn't he know what a dishonor it is to remember what someboby did... for shame for shame Glen Beck how dare you remember when somebody does something takes great personal risk to save other humans. Prehaps it was Glen Beck's words that Irena wouldn't have been bothered by the fact that she didn't win the Nobel Peace prize.... HOLY HORSE MANURE That has to be the most dishonorable thing I have ever read in my life. How dare Glen Beck say that woman who saved over 2500 children, was beaten and tortured wouldn't worry about some personal glory. Oh yes I can sure see that is dishonorable.

4)The remark about the Republicans and the troops, purely and opinion nothing more nothing less. Talk about Irony, you claim that Glen Beck is furthering a political agenda, while having your own political agenda. Well paddle my behind and paint it purple. Have you served in the US military if not then prehaps it would be best to let those here who served state if they were insulted by the Actions of the Republicans. Shall we settle that by having a vote of all here who served state if they were insulted?

[DrowArchmage]

Originally Posted by ElfBane ...has won the Peace Prize.

Please tell me your kidding

[John D Harris]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior 1. Again, didn't say the woman doesn't exist. Didn't say she doesn't or didn't do anything. What I did say, I have highlighted twice now. Both times for John D - spelled out to the point of overkill in my above post. 2. That's why he predicted it. If we didn't watch the messenger we'd all believe in the boy who cried wolf.

No one claimed you said she didn't exsist, Show which words where used that make that claim.... come on it can't be that hard to do just hit the quote button and you got them.

I predicted it because from the evidence for previous posts from you it was an obvious truth, hey at least my powers of ESP have been proven, Thanks, now I know I don't have to keep my day job, I got something to fall back on.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by Cerek No, you didn't say she didn't exist or do anything. You just simply dismissed the impact of her accomplishments based solely on the person telling the story.

Wow, then that's your own perception getting in the way, and warping things then. Man, how'd you make that jump going as far as me "dismissing her accomplishments"? You need to reign that part in 'cuz as we see here, it can create things that either don't exist or never happen.

I do however, think it does this woman a disservice to invoke her name in this debate. Do you think she would appreciate being used as a tool in this way, both here and on Beck's show? It doesn't scream class, to say the least.

I thought you didn't want to talk about Al Gore anymore

Not until you've seen the flick - hard to take a critic seriously when they haven't seen the work.