Vanguard

[Huwge]

Have to disagree with Vanguard being hardcore, but actively encourage the opinion among others to keep it mature ( I may try it again when I upgrade the PC). Now if you want hardcore, the original EQ was the one....bring back corpse runs....make death have some real consequences.....awaiting flaming

[Harkoliar]

My statement may be biased however, it is not deluded. I see proof of it over and over. I have seen the people who came back (I check out the EQ2 forums every so often) and there is no doubt that some have. But, there is no doubt that more (a lot lot more) left for greener pastures because of SOE's antics. This isn't speculation, the numbers are all public. Do you honestly like SOE after all the stuff they pull on their customers?

Well Soe isnt perfect, but that is why forums are a place to share your grief and people do listen. You are completly correct people have left for "greener pastures", but it has been the way in all MMOs. People leave to try out other things because the game isnt what they want. While I do agree the game needs fixing, if the majority wouldnt like it, then SOE wouldnt be running with Eq2 for a long time. MMO adjust to majority of the players IMO.

Another thing like I said earlier, the minority are the loudest in the forums compared to the silent majority who are in the game enjoying themsleves and got no time to go to forums. (imagine politics in some sense). So personally, I dont believe who has the greater numbers in the forums when Devs make changes.

Mate, I do not want to argue who is right and who is wrong, just say we could be both right and both wrong or a stalemate because unless there are specific facts and figures like actual no of people being online in certain timeframes, we are both just making hearsay based on our experience in the game and forums on whether SOE is total crap or decent or good in handling Eq2. agreed?

Well yeah, since this thread I realized it wouldn't be for me. You see it's this MMO buzzword "Hardcore". A funny thing has happend to it in the last few years. When people would say a game was "made for the hardcore" I used to think deep immersive environment, amazing character development and staying up late nights because you were loving and into it so much. But now hardcore seems like it means "Horribly restrictive and sadist. Casual players stay away, this is for people who like losing whole levels when they die and requires a huge amount of commitment to level a character up". Since when did hardcore gaming become not fun? Isn't that why people start being hardcore? Because a game is really enjoyable? I know it's an exaggerated example but you get the picture.

You are right with the current word hardcore, if you want deep immersive environment, I would prefer Eq2 over WoW in terms of content (based on hearsay from players who have played both WoW and Eq2). Also books, housing, history and the quests have improved so much in eq2 based on my experience.

Content however is more for a casual player or people who just like to learn the lore and history. There are people who get enjoyment being totally commited (points to hardcore being online 24/7 players). I have seen people dedicate thier lives running the guild and its crazy (bloody addicts). Other people are just wanting to play with friends (perhaps thats for you)

I think people online are more competitive (perhaps a male dominated environment) and people who are sadist, perhaps if you look into thier mentality, they are just people who like a more challenging environment where mistakes can cost you dearly. I have experienced that in the beginning in eq2 where my debt level were as high as 1 level in debt to recover in exp. NOwadays, its so easy to remove debt as its capped. People who have quit either found it too easy or too hard or too boring. Its hard to find a balance and there will be people (outside the bellcurve) who will not like the game.

Granted, EQ1 may never have been geared toward casual play but there is also the fact that all games are supposed to be geared toward fun. With all the harsh crap I mentioned, many people didn't think it fun.

sadly fun is different for you and me. Perhaps thats why we have different views but its nice to have a debate again [img]smile.gif[/img]

Again, it isn't that they gave me the choice. It is the fact that it was there to begin with. it shouldn't. Other MMO's that have profiles don't charge for them. They figure you pay enough as it is.

perhaps your right in that aspect. Personally, I really dont care if people can see you or not. I kinda like some of thier bundles though wherein you can play all SOE MMO games having one of those special memberships (I believe its 25USD a month compared to 15). But to play so many MMO for that bundle I thought was worth it. Time killer though heh.

[Harkoliar]

Originally posted by Huwge: Have to disagree with Vanguard being hardcore, but actively encourage the opinion among others to keep it mature ( I may try it again when I upgrade the PC). Now if you want hardcore, the original EQ was the one....bring back corpse runs....make death have some real consequences.....awaiting flaming

just want to add dont forget the trains.. when I first played eq1 (for like 2 months only as I was a kid then with no money).. I experienced my first train. How that was really really fun .. and those corpse runs.. yech.

I do hate griefers though but thats what you get if you sign up in a PvP server.

[SpiritWarrior]

Mate, I do not want to argue who is right and who is wrong, just say we could be both right and both wrong or a stalemate because unless there are specific facts and figures like actual no of people being online in certain timeframes, we are both just making hearsay based on our experience in the game and forums on whether SOE is total crap or decent or good in handling Eq2. agreed?

Well it matters little to me really so I won't argue about it just for the sake of arguing but, I do wanna say I didn't pull that out of thin air. There are indeed sites that monitor these things. Thats what I meant by the numbers being public. I thought it was common knowledge. I don't have the links to these sites but I know people here in this forum have posted them before, showing graphs of MMO populations etc. and you can actually go back and forth through the months and years if this is what you're talking about.

Someone posted one and it confirmed what I had seen and heard is all.

[Harkoliar]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: quote: Mate, I do not want to argue who is right and who is wrong, just say we could be both right and both wrong or a stalemate because unless there are specific facts and figures like actual no of people being online in certain timeframes, we are both just making hearsay based on our experience in the game and forums on whether SOE is total crap or decent or good in handling Eq2. agreed?

Well it matters little to me really so I won't argue about it just for the sake of arguing but, I do wanna say I didn't pull that out of thin air. There are indeed sites that monitor these things. Thats what I meant by the numbers being public. I thought it was common knowledge. I don't have the links to these sites but I know people here in this forum have posted them before, showing graphs of MMO populations etc. and you can actually go back and forth through the months and years if this is what you're talking about.

Someone posted one and it confirmed what I had seen and heard is all. [/QUOTE]if you do come across it let me know or post it here, i would be pretty curious on it [img]smile.gif[/img]