What is you opinion on the WTC rebuilding?

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Epona: Ultimately I think it should be up to New Yorkers, and families of the people who lost their lives. However, if I were to have a say in it, I think a memorial park would be the best way to go. A note on skyscrapers - we don't have many in London (I can think of maybe 10 off the top of my head). OK, so it stood for a couple of hours and some people got out. Not bad, but here it is a fire regulation that any public building or workplace building with more than 50 people should be able to be completely evacuated within 4 minutes. Skyscrapers are a lot less safe than low rise and for purposes of evacuation I really think it's time to stop building things that take ages to clear.

Unfortunately after the plane hit the first tower, people in the second tower were told to return to their seats etc. when they went to evacute.

Also many people above the crash couldn't get past it. Some went up to the roof but found that WTC had made roof access impossible. Closing it after a 'problem' a while back.

Tragedy all around. We've never been told who the idiot was who told people to go back to work.

[ 08-02-2002, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[Epona]

Originally posted by Yorick: Unfortunately after the plane hit the first tower, people in the second tower were told to return to their seats etc. when they went to evacute. Also many people above the crash couldn't get past it. Some went up to the roof but found that WTC had made roof access impossible. Closing it after a 'problem' a while back. Tragedy all around. We've never been told who the idiot was who told people to go back to work.

I know Hugh, many more lives could have been saved. Fortunately many of our Health & Safety laws are good - I am an elected H&S rep in my building and I have statutory authority to evacuate or close the building if I don't consider it safe to remain (regardless of what managers or individual assholes may say or think) - and in a similar situation I would have closed the building and evacuated the occupants straight away, heck I've done it for things like office temperature being under the legal limit when the heating broke. Is there anything similar in the US? I wouldn't imagine so but correct me if I'm wrong!

[Azred]

In Oklahoma City, the Murrow Building was completely torn down and a permanent memorial park put in its place. I think a memorial park and rebuilding one tower, exactly like the ones that were brought down, would be perfect.

[John D Harris]

Rebuild them as 5 buildings I submitt the following NEW SKYLINE as a statement to the terrorist SOB's
1st building 40 stories
2nd building 50 stories
3rd building 110 stories
4th building 48 stories
5th building 35 stories

(If you are wondering what this looks like? hold your right hand up next to the screen, palm facing you. Bend your Little finger, your Ring Finger, and your Index finger at the middle knuckles)

[ 08-02-2002, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[Chewbacca]

Build what they may, Im for the original tower's "footprints" remaining free of building. A park/memorial in the footprints, an open free space for mourning and reflecting, with symbols for the individuals of the world who died there. I dont like the idea of some tall building(s) as a memoerial, no matter how well archtitected.

[Megabot]

[quote]I'd build a park! I bet there is all kinds of office space available in New York. They probably don't nedd anymore. Let nature rule in the big city!

Ask not what your country can do for you....

Yeah i agree why must they have all this high buildings anyway? So i think it would be better to make a green area there a park or some thing! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Epona: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Unfortunately after the plane hit the first tower, people in the second tower were told to return to their seats etc. when they went to evacute. Also many people above the crash couldn't get past it. Some went up to the roof but found that WTC had made roof access impossible. Closing it after a 'problem' a while back. Tragedy all around. We've never been told who the idiot was who told people to go back to work.

I know Hugh, many more lives could have been saved. Fortunately many of our Health & Safety laws are good - I am an elected H&S rep in my building and I have statutory authority to evacuate or close the building if I don't consider it safe to remain (regardless of what managers or individual assholes may say or think) - and in a similar situation I would have closed the building and evacuated the occupants straight away, heck I've done it for things like office temperature being under the legal limit when the heating broke. Is there anything similar in the US? I wouldn't imagine so but correct me if I'm wrong![/QUOTE]I have no idea about how America works in that regard, but your situation sounds very good. If only that had been the case then.

[Epona]

Originally posted by Yorick: I have no idea about how America works in that regard, but your situation sounds very good. If only that had been the case then.

It is good, but of course not perfect. This has been the situation for many years now (the legislation dates from the early 60s) and of course depends on people willing to stand as H&S rep. I am happy to do it for whichever building I'm in! Any workplace with more than 50 employees is bound by this legislation, if the staff request a H&S committee and reps they have to have it by law. And the rep has authority above and beyond even the company director/management board when it comes to H&S issues. By law. And victimisation of the H&S rep is illegal.

When Sept 11 happened, my mate who is H&S rep in Euston Tower evacuated the building just in case. Even tho there was no known attack on London. I can't help thinking that if similar laws existed in the US then less lives would have been lost. I have evacuated buildings (or seen them evacuated) for lesser reasons!