For All Who Oppose the War

Well now that there have been suicide vests found (Baghdad) and supposed terrorist training facilities (Basra), the shift has gone back to terrorism. Quite a PR play, one deserving of an award in itself imo.
Even GWB switched his messages to Syria today from including WoMD to those referring to the war on terrorism.

Davros, I haven't seen much terrorist propaganda being credited to the war with Iraq on FOX beyond the reports mentioned above but then I have become quite an expert at drowning out the hours of speculation sessions and the rounds of discussion aimed at "making things more clear for everyone"...key words "talk to us about that" usually trigger a channel change or a get up and walk out of the room kind of reaction.

We have yet to prove that Al-Queda are located in Iraq as far as I know...anyone willing is welcome to direct me to factual information to prove otherwise.
It still wouldn't change the official reason for the war starting, WoMD and/or "regime change"...of course, if I am mistaken there, factual information to prove otherwise is also welcome.

[Davros]

Hi Princess - I was referring to the banner headline that has been displayed behind the anchormen and women over the past 4 weeks. On the BBC it was the "War on Iraq". On one or two of the others it was "Operation Iraqii Freedom", and on FOX it was "The War on Terror".

All I've seen has been "Operation Iraqi Freedom" segements leading from commercials to reports/reports to commercials; behind the anchors...only walls or windows, curtains, and overheads of the screen writer maps.

Not to say that the War On Terrorism banner headlines that you claim to be flying aren't there, just that I haven't seen them...I do tend to pick and choose what I pay attention to and banners behind the anchorfolk isn't on my list of priorities. (I pay attention to what is being told not what is being sold.)

Hmmm, right now there is an interview going on discussing terrorism (escape of prisoners in Yemen, speculation, more speculation, etc...the kind of things I wouldn't normally pay attention to)...on FOX.
You'd think this would be the most opportunistic time to fly that War On Terrorism banner but no, a screen between the interviewer and the interviewee has their "Operation Iraqi Freedom" logo and a sign off to one signs has the FOX NEWS logo, but I'll keep an eye open for that War On Terrorism banner that you say is there.

[ 04-13-2003, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Lil Lil ]

[Mordenheim]

Lil Lil - (I pay attention to what is being told not what is being sold.)

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Nobody can take you for a fool [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yikes! I got 5 doller for that banner in the window!

[Reeka]

Felix, I will confess that I did not try to download the movies. I did find your comments about yourself interesting. I did not know that soldiers can turn on and off being a "killer" as you described. I guess I do not view soldiers as "killers." I view them as people who have a job to do that may, but not necessarily involve killing.

With all due respect and appreciation of you and your service to our country, I find your statement about being a "killer" disturbing. And by the way, I am not in the anti-war camp.

Originally posted by Mordenheim: Lil Lil - (I pay attention to what is being told not what is being sold.) ... Nobody can take you for a fool [img]smile.gif[/img] Yikes! I got 5 doller for that banner in the window!

LOL Well it certainly doesn't stop some from trying does it.

Make sure yoyu get Davros to autograph that banner before handing it over...5 doller is a top offer!

[Skunk]

1. Was SH not a terror threat himself? Or to his people? 2. Did he not use WoMD on the Kurds to prove he was capable? 3. Did we just overlook the fact that al-quadi are located in Iraq?

1. Al'Qaida attempted to assasinate him once - so yes he was threatened with 'terrorism'.
2. No, he used WMD on the Kurds because some callous idiot caused them to rise up against Saddam - and then abandoned them to their fate.
3. No the US didn't overlook that Al'Qaida was located in an area protected by the US/UK and where Saddam could therefore not get at them. It suited the US to have this 'enemy within', hoping that they would repeat their previous attempts to assassinate members of the Iraqi regime.

Well now that there have been suicide vests found (Baghdad) and supposed terrorist training facilities (Basra), the shift has gone back to terrorism.

We are talking about a war and so far the suicide bombings in Iraq have been aimed purely at military personnel - therefore they are not acts of terrorism. Are we also rewriting history to redefine the Japanese Kamakaze pilots of WWII as 'Terrorists' too?
As for the training facilities, why are they 'terrorist' training factilities rather than military ones?

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Reeka: Felix, I will confess that I did not try to download the movies. I did find your comments about yourself interesting. I did not know that soldiers can turn on and off being a "killer" as you described. I guess I do not view soldiers as "killers." I view them as people who have a job to do that may, but not necessarily involve killing. With all due respect and appreciation of you and your service to our country, I find your statement about being a "killer" disturbing. And by the way, I am not in the anti-war camp.

Ah, sweet Reeka. No need to worry yourself. I have chosen my path. I am a combatant, in my job it's either kill, or be killed. I am a tanker, a guy who commands 73 tons of death and destruction. I'm a vet of DS, but sitting on the sidelines for this one. When I give the command to fire, or in an adverse situation, have to pull the trigger myself. I'm knownigly sending a 120 MM DU long rod penetrator traveling at over 1 mile per second towards my enemy. As in DS, this round goes completely through Soviet built armor, it is not designed to kill the crew, it is desinged to kill the opposing tank. As with any type of war, one must be prepared to kill at a moments notice. Our Motto goes along the lines of "Train as you would fight" So, when on the gunnery range, one must build the confidence in both himself, and his crew, that when the time comes, and the command is given, there is no doubt who will be the victor.

There is an old tanker saying that came from GEN G.S. Patton, "No poor bastard ever won a war dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor bastard die for their country!"

I do not engage in sport hunting, shooting, or anything along that line. Nothing quite compares to the firing of the main gun. As far as civilians go, they have a need to be protected, and I am a protector, a defender, a fighter, a Soldier of the United States of America.
Competence is my watch word!

No Mission to Difficult
No Task to Great
Duty First - Soldiers Always
Families form the backbone of a succesful unit, and understand exactly what our jod description really means.

Felix
Steel on Target

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: To be honest .... I don't know if there is a link between Iraq and 9/11. I have heard some retired CIA officials say there isn't one, and I have heard intel people say there is. Either way, the sources of the info is currently classified. There is no way to publish it publically until it is downgraded.

Actually the source of the information turned out to be fabricated. Also I have read reports of many CIA analysts complaining of being badgered by administration officials to 'interpet' the intel to support a link between Iraq and 9/11.

Now if we really wanted to strike at the country that provided the bulk of the assets used to pull off 9/1l we should have aimed our guns a little to the south and west, since the majority of the hijackers came from our 'friends' the Saudia's.

Originally posted by Skunk: Well now that there have been suicide vests found (Baghdad) and supposed terrorist training facilities (Basra), the shift has gone back to terrorism. We are talking about a war and so far the suicide bombings in Iraq have been aimed purely at military personnel - therefore they are not acts of terrorism. Are we also rewriting history to redefine the Japanese Kamakaze pilots of WWII as 'Terrorists' too? As for the training facilities, why are they 'terrorist' training factilities rather than military ones?

No one can prove that the suicide bombing vests were intended for terrorists outside of Iraq or for paramilitary groups within Iraq or even specifically for this conflict (or any other for that matter)....the British report on the "terrorist training facilities" that they found had no resemblance to anything "military" as far as what has been labeled as "military installations" inside Iraq...I used both to make a point...that the shift of the war had changed overnight to terrorism.
Funny now today it has changed to how Syria is hiding Iraqi leaders who fled into that country after being missed by our heavy-handed strikes...who knows what it will be tomorrow.

[ 04-14-2003, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: Lil Lil ]