Support inside Iraq

[Djinn Raffo]

Anything and everything. Going into Baghdad. Occupying the country. Fighting in cities. Who knows.. it's war, to go into it with the foregone conclusion that the enemy is not going to put up any kind of fight.. well when they do put up a fight then you can say that you were taking the enemy lightly right.

Like Dallas playing Atlanta.. by all rights the Stars should rock em.. but Kovalchuk or Heatly might be primed for a good night, know what i mean..

[ 01-07-2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

[Iron_Ranger]

I see what you mean, but its unlikely.

What if Atlantas managment has been treating the players like crap, they have been having a bad season already, and their equipment isnt as good as Dallas is. They have no reason to want to win.

Same thing here. There is no desire to fight for Saddam. At least, that what it seems like. With the exeption of a few nutty fundalmentalist.

As I said, its unlikley.

[Djinn Raffo]

Yep.

Is it better to overestimate your opponent, win, and laugh about it afterwards.. ..or underestimate your opponent, lose, and cry about it afterwards?

Is it better to always overestimate?

Pride goeth before a fall...

[ 01-07-2003, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

[Iron_Ranger]

Well, I guess we will just have two diffrent opinons on it then. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Djinn Raffo: Dude, you are making a judgement call and you do not know if this will be the case this time around or not.

Do you really think so? I do not. I suppose I cannot prove it so maybe I am making an educated guess....lets look at the facts as they stand.

The first time around Saddam had the 4th largest army in the world supporting him.

He had thousands of modern tanks and hundreds of modern aircraft, modern anti-aircraft weapons, dozens of scuds and anti-tank rockets and millions of mines.

He has less than a quarter of those resources this time around.

The people fighting for him will be the same people that fought for him last time, where exactly has he managed to improve the love and loyalty of his people since the early 1990's?

What has Iraq done to engender the bravery and espirit de corps of his fighting forces? What has suddenly turned this shell of a country into this juggernaut some are trying to tell us that Iraq is?

[ 01-08-2003, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Djinn Raffo]

Hatred of the USA. The common people in Iraq will be involved this time around not just the military.

To be honest i think it will be a cakewalk for the Americans in Iraq. I just don't think that it is a foregone conclusion and i believe that anything can happen. After all if Charlie could kick the *&%$ out of the mighty military machine.. maybe anyone can..

[ 01-08-2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]

[skywalker]

I don't think Iraq is a "juggernaut" but I am concerned that if Saddam's people do fight back and draw the US and Allies into city combat, they will look less than heroic. I don't think the people there are a threat nor are their conventional weaponry. But as I stated elsewhere, I am slightly concerned if Saddam has a few "hidden" surprises.

It doesn't matter if we (meaning US and to a lesser extent the Allies) can kick anyone's butt. What matters is what effect this "buttkicking" has on the World at large. Worldwide perception is extremely important if any country wants to secure respect and cooperation from others, they need to be doing the right thing for everyone. That is if the one that kicks butt cares...then it doesn't matter, I guess.

Mark

Originally posted by Djinn Raffo: Hatred of the USA. The common people in Iraq will be involved this time around not just the military. To be honest i think it will be a cakewalk for the Americans in Iraq. I just don't think that it is a foregone conclusion and i believe that anything can happen. After all if Charlie could kick the *&%$ out of the mighty military machine.. maybe anyone can..

Only problem there is that "Charlie" didn't ever really face the Military might of the US..."Charlie" met the ridiculous whims and panderings of US politicians. Had the Military been allowed to prosecute a "WAR" Laos would not have been a safe haven and China would have had to bow out of the conflict or risk a nuclear exchange.......no one ever seems to analyze exactly why Vietnam was a total SNAFU...they just go around talking baout how badly the "US Military" got trounced.....tsk tsk tsk.

Edit: yeah you are right about one thing though....nothing is ever for sure...you just have to have contingency plans. But recent history suggests that when the US gets involved the "common" person is not fighting him.

[ 01-08-2003, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by skywalker: I don't think Iraq is a "juggernaut" but I am concerned that if Saddam's people do fight back and draw the US and Allies into city combat, they will look less than heroic. I don't think the people there are a threat nor are their conventional weaponry. But as I stated elsewhere, I am slightly concerned if Saddam has a few "hidden" surprises. I agree with you. if the US gets sucked into a block by block city fight, things would look ugly. Which is why I am HOPING, our military strategists are working on ways to keep the fight on our terms...which we are pretty good at doing I might add. But we shall see. It doesn't matter if we (meaning US and to a lesser extent the Allies) can kick anyone's butt. What matters is what effect this "buttkicking" has on the World at large. Worldwide perception is extremely important if any country wants to secure respect and cooperation from others, they need to be doing the right thing for everyone. That is if the one that kicks butt cares...then it doesn't matter, I guess. Actually Im starting to wonder just how important "world opinion" really is. Our friends are our friends and may have their differences but will still be our friends. Those who hate us will still hate us.... All will fear us and bow before us In place of a Dark Lord, you shall have a ...urrrr sorry LoTR moment there.......The really important thing is to try to prevent the spread of WoMD as much as possible. Who really cares about Saddam? Mark

[Djinn Raffo]

Originally posted by MagiK: Only problem there is that "Charlie" didn't ever really face the Military might of the US..."Charlie" met the ridiculous whims and panderings of US politicians. Had the Military been allowed to prosecute a "WAR" Laos would not have been a safe haven and China would have had to bow out of the conflict or risk a nuclear exchange.......no one ever seems to analyze exactly why Vietnam was a total SNAFU...they just go around talking baout how badly the "US Military" got trounced.....tsk tsk tsk.

Excuses excuses... [img]tongue.gif[/img]