Same sex marriages. Your opinion?

[True_Moose]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: quote: Originally posted by True_Moose: And Cerek, I have to disagree with some of your points about gay parenting. I think that a child will have a much more rounded, complete upbringing with two gay, loving partners, than a single parent, or in the care of the foster home system.

I agree with you, True Moose - but I didn't say anything about single parent or foster parent homes. I would agree (for the most part) that 2 loving parents (whether the same gender or not) would be preferable to a single parent home, because the child is definitely being limited in the perspective they recieve in their upbringing. Also, there is usually a residual undercurrent of hostility between the two parents and the children see this very clearly. It isn't the case in ALL situations, but I would say most situations have at least some residual anger, jealousy, or frustration left over from the marriage.

As for foster homes, that is definitely a grey area. Some foster parents are wonderful, loving people...others are abusive (in many ways) towards the child and make a bad situation far worse. [/QUOTE]Well, I meant moreover the system. In Canada, at least, we seem to have quite a lot of good foster parents, but no matter that, it still doesn't replace the family unit. Foster care, especially when moving around a lot, can lead to the child feeling as though they don't really belong anywhere, and give them some severe problems later.

I actually do not know how much different a gay/lesbian reared child is than a traditionally raised child, but I do know that there are so many bad/listless/unattentive/abusive etc. parents out there, that denying the many same sex couples who would make great parents the chance to raise a child just seems illogical to me.

[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by Mouse: As far as I'm concerned, marriage is the public and legal formalisation of a couple's love and committment to each other.

Agreed. Then come up with a different institution for it. Call it a joint living arrangement. As far as the benefits of marriage are concerned. If you want the benefits of the program, then follow the program! Should I insist I get the same pay and benefits as someone else if I'm not doing what they do?

[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Sir Kenyth: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: I think certain religions want to push their idea of a family group on everybody else. Go figure. Homosexuals can adopt children or use surrogates and deserve the same rights of civil union as everybody else. I challenge you to prove homosexuals chose that way of life, you can't. It is an opinion that has no merit as fact.

Simple. You choose whether to have an intimate committed physical relationship with someone of your choice. IT IS YOUR CHOICE! Or are you saying you don't have the freedom to choose whom your significant other is? [/QUOTE]That's twisting the issue, obviously if your are gay, your going to choose a same-sex lifepartner. [/QUOTE]That depends on how you look at it. You're of the opinion that gay is a physical trait. I'm of the opinion that it's a choice made by each person in life. In other words, when you choose same-sex partners, you're choosing to be gay. I think that as time goes on, such behavior becomes a comfortable habit. Once you're so far down the path, turning back seems unthinkable.

[Bardan the Slayer]

Sir Kenyth, I have just one question to ask - do you consider that you *chose* to be straight, and that being straight is just a *comfortable habit* for you?

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer: Sir Kenyth, I have just one question to ask - do you consider that you *chose* to be straight, and that being straight is just a *comfortable habit* for you?

Good question! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[Masklinn]

Love is above everything else.
I voted for. Let people that love each other get married. Be they male, female, venusian or whatever.

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Masklinn: [Be they venusian or whatever.]

Yeah, those Venusian gals are *hot*!

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Sir Kenyth: That depends on how you look at it. You're of the opinion that gay is a physical trait. I'm of the opinion that it's a choice made by each person in life. In other words, when you choose same-sex partners, you're choosing to be gay. I think that as time goes on, such behavior becomes a comfortable habit. Once you're so far down the path, turning back seems unthinkable.

I'm quite certain that they were gay before the choosed a same-sex partner, I mean why would they do that otherwise.

Besides homosexuals are not always accepted by society (or parts of it), might risking getting beaten up due to their sexual orientation, don't have the same legal benefits as straight people when it comes to partnership, risk getting shunned by society and their families, risk loosing their jobs and can't get their own children until just recently. Why would anyone choose that life if it wasn't how they felt to be their true selves?

[ 07-31-2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

[Xen]

I have nothing against it. If people love each other and care about each other I see no reason why they shouldn`t marrieed.-IMHO that is.

[John D Harris]

Marriage can not be between any thing but a Man and Woman by diffinition, that's what the word means. Does that mean Homosexuals should not be alowed to have the same types of relationships? No It JUST means their relationships can't be called marriage, Call it Homoarrige, call it what you/they want. But the fact remains that words have meanings, and if we are going to change the meanings of words,we might as well scrap all communications because it will be useless.