Catholic crackdown doing its job?

[fable]

Originally posted by MagiK: Right now all the media attention is focused on the RCC, however I do believe from the numbers first reported, that there are quite a few non-RCC pedophiles out there wiping the sweat from their brows and thanking the good luck they have had in having the media switch focus to just the RCC....in time the focus will go back and we will see that the RCC is not the only religious organization with this kind of problem. (they are just the ones with the deepest pocket$)

You've be happy to know, MagiK, that the Brits just concluded a sting operation rounding up the heads of a child pornography ring. They simultaneously raided a number of offices across Britain, and arrest nearly two dozen people. Apparently, this is just the top, and they're going to go after the users, too. More luck to them, I say. While the users require mandatory psychiatry treatment, IMO, the child pornographers themselves should be locked up for a very, very long time. They are catering to a disease, and wrecking the lives of young children in the process.

This may seem harsh to some; but I view it as merchandising a disease. But enough to have it. Worse still, to deliberately pander to those who have got it, and to destroy kids by forcing them to make pornographic films, etc.

I agree that we may start people of other faiths and denominations, abused by their religious leaders, start to come forth. That's a good thing, IMO. The RCC probably has the worst record due to its enforcement of celibacy since the 13th century (the Eastern Orthodox Church, for instance, has always allowed its deacons to marry), but I'm sure this is a widespread problem. People in power are all too prone to allow their inner demons to slip the leash, since the fear of capture is a receding deterrent. By my way of thinking, those in power should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

[quote]Originally posted by fable:

Originally posted by MagiK: [qb]The RCC probably has the worst record due to its enforcement of celibacy since the 13th century (the Eastern Orthodox Church, for instance, has always allowed its deacons to marry), but I'm sure this is a widespread problem. People in power are all too prone to allow their inner demons to slip the leash, since the fear of capture is a receding deterrent. By my way of thinking, those in power should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

Well from the statistics that the news papers here in the Washington/Baltimore area are publishing, the RCC is no better nor worse on the "number" of incidents per-capita, but apparently the Leaders of the RCC are just colluding to hide the numbers..which sickens me.

I 100% agree with you that those in power should be held to higher standards and not lower! (don't pass out..I know it doesn't happen often that we agree [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Im not so sure I would classify pedophilia as a disease. In my opinion..and thats just an opinion, we in the US are too quick to call things disease, thus removing the responsibility from the perps. I think it is not a disease but just a lack of moral character (no religious intent here, moral character does not stem solely from religion). By declaring it a disease I think you assist those people in defending their actions. Human being have a dark side to them, people with moral character suppress those desires.
People without moral character do not suppress the desires. They justify themselves by making excuses...such as..oh I can't help it...I have a disease.

I don't go peeping in my neighbors window trying to catch a peek of her nekkid but being a upstanding person that I am..I content myself with fantasies sorry got off on a tangent there......

[gaunty]

here in usa, a ageing has-been hollywood superstar is to be
on a pro gay prime time tv show. the management in hollywood
and in the tv/cable networks, are teaching and promoting the gay
mantality. if the gay permisquessness is not taught and promoted,
gay life and gay related mulestation would not be a profitable market. yes I know that there a lot of you who like to wait untill
after the bamage is done. let's not go after any major corporation.
let's just wait untill after a gay rape in "A" church on our children
has been done. let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay caused) kiddy porn
market. then we will clean up the mess after it is way to late.

[Melusine]

Listen, Gaunty. First of all, I don't know what you've been smoking but you are just barely on the level of legibility with your posts. Your profile says that you are from America, well, I can only hope you weren't born there and English is not your first language, because if not, you should be ashamed that a non-native speaker can spell better than you in your own language.
Secondly, homosexuality and paedophilia are two completely different things. Lots of paedophiles are actually heterosexual - the deviancy lies in the fact that they prey on children instead of having adult relationships.

[ 04-26-2002, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Sigmar]

Originally posted by gaunty: here in usa, a ageing has-been hollywood superstar is to be on a pro gay prime time tv show. the management in hollywood and in the tv/cable networks, are teaching and promoting the gay mantality. if the gay permisquessness is not taught and promoted, gay life and gay related mulestation would not be a profitable market. yes I know that there a lot of you who like to wait untill after the bamage is done. let's not go after any major corporation. let's just wait untill after a gay rape in "A" church on our children has been done. let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay caused) kiddy porn market. then we will clean up the mess after it is way to late.

I think I know what you are trying to say. Do you mind explaining what you were trying to say in other words though just to make sure. You want action to be taken before any harm comes to our children, you are suggesting that action should be taken now. That's ok but you have to understand what Melusine said, the two words are not directly related, they are differant topics (they could be the same though). So make you're post clearer vbecause I didn't understand the first section of it please.

[AzureWolf]

Originally posted by Melusine: Listen, Gaunty. First of all, I don't know what you've been smoking but you are just barely on the level of legibility with your posts. Your profile says that you are from America, well, I can only hope you weren't born there and English is not your first language, because if not, you should be ashamed that a non-native speaker can spell better than you in your own language. Secondly, homosexuality and paedophilia are two completely different things. Lots of paedophiles are actually heterosexual - the deviancy lies in the fact that they prey on children instead of having adult relationships.

Thankyou for putting it so elequently(sp?) Mel.
Just what I was going to say if it wasnt almost 3am in the morning

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Sigmar: quote: Originally posted by gaunty: here in usa, a ageing has-been hollywood superstar is to be on a pro gay prime time tv show. the management in hollywood and in the tv/cable networks, are teaching and promoting the gay mantality. if the gay permisquessness is not taught and promoted, gay life and gay related mulestation would not be a profitable market. yes I know that there a lot of you who like to wait untill after the bamage is done. let's not go after any major corporation. let's just wait untill after a gay rape in "A" church on our children has been done. let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay caused) kiddy porn market. then we will clean up the mess after it is way to late.

I think I know what you are trying to say. Do you mind explaining what you were trying to say in other words though just to make sure. You want action to be taken before any harm comes to our children, you are suggesting that action should be taken now. That's ok but you have to understand what Melusine said, the two words are not directly related, they are differant topics (they could be the same though). So make you're post clearer vbecause I didn't understand the first section of it please.[/QUOTE]Sigmar - I'll translate it for you.

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Here in the USA, an aging has-been Hollywood superstar is to appear on a pro-gay prime time TV show. The management in Hollywood and in the TV/cable networks are teaching and promoting the gay mentality.
If the gay promiscuity is not taught and promoted, gay life and gay-related molestation would not be a profitable market. Yes, I know that there are a lot of you who'd like to wait until
after the damage is done. Let's not go after any major corporation.
lLet's just wait until after a gay rape in "A" church on our children
has been done. Let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay-caused) kiddy porn
market. Then we will clean up the mess, after it is way too late.
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and his earlier post:

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He he hee ha ha he lol lol laugh a whole lot.

Let's start with the problem of gays getting mariage rights.
Then let's look at that posibility that paedophiles become paedophiles because they were first gay. Now we have gay paedophiles who are Catholic priests. All of you have blasted the bible-angle and not the gay-angle .... lol...what are you afraid of...lol..
We want the gays out of the church.
We want the gays out of the boy scouts.
Now will we get the gays out the hollywood and tv prime time
....lol... oh no.. We can't do any thing like anti-gay cleaning
in the tv cable market, that would be the ultimate sacrilege.
Slap me saying such evil things.


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I feel defiled and sick simply by having had to type that out - it doesn't need the correct spelling to see this is one seriously disturbed intolerant message.

[ 04-26-2002, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by Melusine: quote: Originally posted by Sigmar: quote: Originally posted by gaunty: here in usa, a ageing has-been hollywood superstar is to be on a pro gay prime time tv show. the management in hollywood and in the tv/cable networks, are teaching and promoting the gay mantality. if the gay permisquessness is not taught and promoted, gay life and gay related mulestation would not be a profitable market. yes I know that there a lot of you who like to wait untill after the bamage is done. let's not go after any major corporation. let's just wait untill after a gay rape in "A" church on our children has been done. let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay caused) kiddy porn market. then we will clean up the mess after it is way to late.

I think I know what you are trying to say. Do you mind explaining what you were trying to say in other words though just to make sure. You want action to be taken before any harm comes to our children, you are suggesting that action should be taken now. That's ok but you have to understand what Melusine said, the two words are not directly related, they are differant topics (they could be the same though). So make you're post clearer vbecause I didn't understand the first section of it please.[/QUOTE]Sigmar - I'll translate it for you.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Here in the USA, an aging has-been Hollywood superstar is to appear on a pro-gay prime time TV show. The management in Hollywood and in the TV/cable networks are teaching and promoting the gay mentality.
If the gay promiscuity is not taught and promoted, gay life and gay-related molestation would not be a profitable market. Yes, I know that there are a lot of you who'd like to wait until
after the damage is done. Let's not go after any major corporation.
lLet's just wait until after a gay rape in "A" church on our children
has been done. Let's wait untill there "IS" a (gay-caused) kiddy porn
market. Then we will clean up the mess, after it is way too late.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and his earlier post:

~~~~~~~~~~~~

He he hee ha ha he lol lol laugh a whole lot.

Let's start with the problem of gays getting mariage rights.
Then let's look at that posibility that paedophiles become paedophiles because they were first gay. Now we have gay paedophiles who are Catholic priests. All of you have blasted the bible-angle and not the gay-angle .... lol...what are you afraid of...lol..
We want the gays out of the church.
We want the gays out of the boy scouts.
Now will we get the gays out the hollywood and tv prime time
....lol... oh no.. We can't do any thing like anti-gay cleaning
in the tv cable market, that would be the ultimate sacrilege.
Slap me saying such evil things.


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I feel defiled and sick simply by having had to type that out - it doesn't need the correct spelling to see this is one seriously disturbed intolerant message.[/QUOTE]Mel I'm sorry you had to translate that too. I thought that was what he or she was trying to say. Sad to say that we have people of such intolerence here, but we do. There is no place on this forum for comments or opinions like that here at IW.

[Sigmar]

Thanks for going through all the bother Melusine but I do see what you mean now though, I certainly misinterpreted that statement and I hadn't even seen his other one. Are you homophobic Gaunty and if not I don't think you fully understand the situation as your remarks are rude and unfair towards homosexuals.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: Mel I'm sorry you had to translate that too. I thought that was what he or she was trying to say. Sad to say that we have people of such intolerence here, but we do. There is no place on this forum for comments or opinions like that here at IW.

Thanks, Taliesin.
I'm sorry if I snapped, but it's the tone of his posts that caused it. I'm willing to listen to anybody who can explain honestly why he/she feels a certain way about any given topic, but this was just plain trolling and being a jerk. [img]graemlins/idontagreeatall.gif[/img]