Saddam sentenced to death by hanging

[JrKASperov]

Originally posted by Olorin: Not that I'm a fan of the death penalty, but it bugs me when people quote the Ten Commandments in opposing it. Thou shall not kill is better translated as Thou shall not murder--just look at all the other offenses in Exodus where the penalty is being stoned to death. Or look at all the times in the Old Testament where the Isrealites are ordered to kill every man, woman, and child of their enemies. The Old Testament is just not the place to find any arguments against killing during war, or as a punishment for crimes.

I'm not turning this into a religious debate seeing the moratorium. But how about everything Jesus said and did? Would HE have sentenced Saddam to death?

That's what I thought.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

The old George Carlin joke asks why so many people who are "pro-life" are in favor of the death penalty. I've wondered the same thing myself. I guess the death penalty harkens back to an "old school" style of morality... Eye for an eye and whatnot. So, Yorick, most people can't see the contradiction in that. They see justification in that. Odd, isn't it?

[Larry_OHF]

Originally posted by JrKASperov: I'm not turning this into a religious debate seeing the moratorium. But how about everything Jesus said and did? Would HE have sentenced Saddam to death?

Saying such things as what you did is exactly why there is a moratorium, JrKASperov(and everyone else). You are inviting somebody to speak against your opinion, using Christianity as the main point of your argument.

It has been a long time since a thread has been locked due to people getting into a feiry struggle over what a religion means or does not mean, so let's back away from it now before its too late.

This thread can easily be discussed without calling anyone's moral opinions into question.

[ 11-06-2006, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

[JrKASperov]

I wasn't discussing what the Bible did or did not say. In fact Olorin started all that.

However, it's not discussing religion in my opinion when I ask why someone doesn't do what he should do according to his own beliefs. And that Jesus wouldn't kill, or even execute anyone, shouldn't be a point of discussion.

Yes, I am calling Balkenende a hypocrit, just like someone who would say he hated yellow pants while wearing one. This has nothing to do with the religion itself and I'm not discussing that.

[pritchke]

Originally posted by Yorick: Killing Saddam will make him a Martyr and only serve to publicise and even substanciate any lies or falsehoods he's spoken.

That is what I have been thinking as well. Killing him will just increase the violence. Life without parole would be better.

[ 11-06-2006, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[Larry_OHF]

Originally posted by pritchke: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Killing Saddam will make him a Martyr and only serve to publicise and even substanciate any lies or falsehoods he's spoken.

That is what I have been thinking as well. Killing him will just increase the violence. Life without parole would be better. [/QUOTE]I should have said so, so as to clarify my opinion on the matter...I agree that it is not a good idea to kill him. To me, that is the easy way out and he knows that one way or another, his death would be avenged. Life in prison would be better punishment.

In recent months I have been working toward getting away from death penalty advocacy, not because of personal morals but because I personally feel that spending the rest of my life in a cell would be more horrible of a thing to bare, from my perspective. Death is quick and painless (or the pain is not long-lasting).

[wellard]

Originally posted by Larry_OHF: .I agree that it is not a good idea to kill him. To me, that is the easy way out and he knows that one way or another, his death would be avenged. Life in prison would be better punishment. In recent months I have been working toward getting away from death penalty advocacy, not because of personal morals but because I personally feel that spending the rest of my life in a cell would be more horrible of a thing to bare, from my perspective. Death is quick and painless (or the pain is not long-lasting).

I so agree Larry, without making this another boring 'is hanging right or wrong in general debate' we should focus on the pros and cons of killing Saddam. I fear that if he does not die soon then when the Allied forces leave Iraq we might have a horrible situation of Saddam getting busted from jail, becoming leader and setting out the rest of his life on a revenge mission. Imagine all those good sons of the USA having died for nothing while a smiling Saddam pisses on their memories!

I don’t mind admitting Larry, Yorick and all, yes I am against capital punishment but leaving Saddam alive in Iraq is NOT imo an option.

So what should be done? Buggered if I know [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by wellard: quote: Originally posted by Larry_OHF: .I agree that it is not a good idea to kill him. To me, that is the easy way out and he knows that one way or another, his death would be avenged. Life in prison would be better punishment. In recent months I have been working toward getting away from death penalty advocacy, not because of personal morals but because I personally feel that spending the rest of my life in a cell would be more horrible of a thing to bare, from my perspective. Death is quick and painless (or the pain is not long-lasting).

I so agree Larry, without making this another boring 'is hanging right or wrong in general debate' we should focus on the pros and cons of killing Saddam. I fear that if he does not die soon then when the Allied forces leave Iraq we might have a horrible situation of Saddam getting busted from jail, becoming leader and setting out the rest of his life on a revenge mission. Imagine all those good sons of the USA having died for nothing while a smiling Saddam pisses on their memories!

I don’t mind admitting Larry, Yorick and all, yes I am against capital punishment but leaving Saddam alive in Iraq is NOT imo an option.

So what should be done? Buggered if I know [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Put him in a Brussels prison.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Yorick: I don't support the death penalty and don't support the verdict. You do not defeat the monster by becoming the monster. But if a government kills him, it actually legitemises his actions in condemning 148 people to death. Can't people see the inherant contradiction in that?

No I cannot. The "government becoming the murderer" argument is logically flawed, and here's why.

It is wrong to imprison someone. But, if you commit a crime you are imprisoned. Under your theory, the government can't do this because it would be becoming a kidnapper, and kidnapping is wrong.

It is wrong to steal. But if you commit a crime the government can fine you, taking your money. Under your theory the government can't do this because it would make the government a thief, and thievery is wrong.

All laws punishing crimes do something to the criminal that they would be prohibited from doing to others. Your argument fails because it makes any criminal punishment unjustifiable.

[ 11-13-2006, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Kakero]

IMO, He should have done a "hitler" rather than let himself been captured by the invading forces and been made a monkey show. In the end of it, he is still going to die.