Blood Flood

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Alternatively, why does the homosexual community have to try and potentially infect others? Why can't it just respect the wishes of this organization? Both sides are flawed, but I'm taking the side of the blood service in this, its THEIR right to choose what blood they accept, and if the gays can't recognize this, and want to disobey, then they run the risk of being even more unpopular, infecting others (which is disgusting), just to make a point.

Where did you get the idea they were infecting people? The people going to donate are clean homosexual. Purposefully donating cantaminated blood is a crime and has nothing to do with this protest, their orientation or skin color. They thought being singled out and discriminated was offensive, so they're going to donate blood anyway to piss off the bigots, who might receive homosexual blood.

But don't worry, the "the gay" isn't transmited by blood. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Felix The Assassin]

One is only known as "PB", which was an experimental nerve agent preventer from Denmark. My entire Battalion was a test for that.

One of the others "There is no vaccine" to prevent the disease, but of the cases reported in the US, 0% have come from soldiers.

Still have traces of "permitherin" in my system. They say 2008 I should be able to doante. 8 years from last exposure to Anthrax, and 5 for the permith, and the others may or may not have an affect on the blood.

Normally. Anthrax pre-vention strains are taken, but add the others and things get a little gloppy.

My BP has come up to "normal" but my pulse is still low, if that helps.

[Sir Degrader]

Originally posted by Luvian: quote: Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Alternatively, why does the homosexual community have to try and potentially infect others? Why can't it just respect the wishes of this organization? Both sides are flawed, but I'm taking the side of the blood service in this, its THEIR right to choose what blood they accept, and if the gays can't recognize this, and want to disobey, then they run the risk of being even more unpopular, infecting others (which is disgusting), just to make a point.

Where did you get the idea they were infecting people? The people going to donate are clean homosexual.[/QUOTE]So I take it you know every single homosexual individual in South Africa, and testify that only the clean ones will donate?

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: quote: Originally posted by Luvian: quote: Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Alternatively, why does the homosexual community have to try and potentially infect others? Why can't it just respect the wishes of this organization? Both sides are flawed, but I'm taking the side of the blood service in this, its THEIR right to choose what blood they accept, and if the gays can't recognize this, and want to disobey, then they run the risk of being even more unpopular, infecting others (which is disgusting), just to make a point.

Where did you get the idea they were infecting people? The people going to donate are clean homosexual.[/QUOTE]So I take it you know every single homosexual individual in South Africa, and testify that only the clean ones will donate? [/QUOTE]No, I take it they run tests, and that they aren't retarded enough to use blood that is still in the "window period". I also assume that if their reason was to avoid HIV, they would also ban the group with the highest infection rate.

I would like to know which "international guidelines" suggest banning blacks and gay people.

[ 01-18-2006, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

[Aerich]

Btw, the Canadian Blood Service uses a similar question (iirc, "Since 1980, have you had sex with a man?"). I'm not sure what happens if a person answers yes to any of the risk questions, as I never have. I don't know if a positive answer results in automatic disqualification or merely further questions to assess the degree of actual risk. There's also questions about travel to Africa, contact with prostitutes, and any time spent in jail for over 48 hours. [img]graemlins/moon.gif[/img]

It is a somewhat arbitrary process, and arguably discriminatory, but organizations that collect blood for transfusions MUST be sure that they are not supplying contaminated blood. Here in Canada, the Red Cross and the government are still dealing with class-action claims by people infected with HIV and Hepatitis from blood transfusions in the early 1980s.

[Lanesra]

Originally posted by Aerich: Btw, the Canadian Blood Service uses a similar question (iirc, "Since 1980, have you had sex with a man?").

Wouldn't that disqualify many women?

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Aerich: Btw, the Canadian Blood Service uses a similar question (iirc, "Since 1980, have you had sex with a man?"). I'm not sure what happens if a person answers yes to any of the risk questions, as I never have. I don't know if a positive answer results in automatic disqualification or merely further questions to assess the degree of actual risk. There's also questions about travel to Africa, contact with prostitutes, and any time spent in jail for over 48 hours. [img]graemlins/moon.gif[/img] It is a somewhat arbitrary process, and arguably discriminatory, but organizations that collect blood for transfusions MUST be sure that they are not supplying contaminated blood. Here in Canada, the Red Cross and the government are still dealing with class-action claims by people infected with HIV and Hepatitis from blood transfusions in the early 1980s.

The Red Cross does the same, I believe they (the red cross) will still accept the blood, but will not use it, so that you can't be discriminated against based on the fact that you didn't give (offices providing paid time to donate among other things). It's interesting to note that most of Europe has been added to the list of places that are at risk, and will not use the blood of people who've spent significant time there. (which of course cuts off a very large number of soldiers who would otherwise have been not only able, but perfectly willing to donate).

[Aerich]

Originally posted by Lanesra: quote: Originally posted by Aerich: Btw, the Canadian Blood Service uses a similar question (iirc, "Since 1980, have you had sex with a man?").

Wouldn't that disqualify many women? [/QUOTE]Well yeah, but this question is aimed at men.

The CBS will also accept everybody's blood - you also have the option of secretly telling them that they should not use your blood. Some European countries are off the list, mostly because of mad cow disease and hepatitis.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

I'm sorry I started debate and vanished, but I'd like to toss out the fact that black and hispanic men account for 54 percent of AIDS infections, and their blood isn't getting turned away. Remind me again why we can't test gay blood for HIV like we test everyone else's? I'm just looking for consistency here.

[Sir Degrader]

They DID toss away black blood in SA, but then such a stink was raised (also, SA is mostly black, so your cutting a huge chunk of market out), that they had to change it.