Did Balrogs have wings? - Page 2

Tancred · 02-03-2003, 05:03 PM

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AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe · 02-03-2003, 07:18 PM

the flight they are refering to is simply rapid movement. ie "I had to fly to work today because I was running late." and as far as the shadow spreading out like vast wings, that is a similie, comparing the shadows around the balrog, to that of the shadows that would be cast by hude wings. IMO they do not have wings.

[ 02-03-2003, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe ]

Tancred · 02-03-2003, 08:42 PM

Perhaps Balrogs CAN fly - but only when no-one is looking...

AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe · 02-04-2003, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tancred:
Perhaps Balrogs CAN fly - but only when no-one is looking...

What if the Balrog is looking, can it still fly or does it have to close it's eyes?

Tancred · 02-05-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tancred:
Perhaps Balrogs CAN fly - but only when no-one is looking...

What if the Balrog is looking, can it still fly or does it have to close it's eyes?</font>[/QUOTE]Does a Balrog have eyes?

Link · 02-05-2003, 05:22 PM

Yeah it certainly has eyes. Whether or not it uses them, and more importantly, if it can see through them is an entirely differen discussion though

Memnoch · 02-06-2003, 05:05 AM

Based on what I've read, I think they do have wings - thether they are vestigial or functional, who knows.

Sever · 02-11-2003, 12:03 PM

Nice topic Attalus. I'll resist temptation to throw myself upon the grenade by adding my two bits. From what can be reasonably surmised from several of his writings, Balrogs do have wings but can not fly. However, i've seen many, many artistic impressions of Balrogs (they are without doubt the most popular of Tolkien's evil creations) and most of them are depicted without wings and, you guessed it, on the ground. The debate continues...

The Merciful · 02-11-2003, 05:09 PM

Version 0.1 were numerous and didn't have wings and drove chariots.
Version 1.0 were rare and did have wings and could fly, but everytime they got up to air they were already dead or in too small space or simply had other interests than flying.

Spelca · 02-23-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by Attalus:
I'm on another forum (now down, alas) where it is actually forbidden to discuss this subject. But, we are freeer here, so I am going to open the whole can of worms. Did Balrogs have wings? We know that the Moria balrog was "flying from the ruin of Thangorodrim" and had "the shadow about it spread out like vast wings." (Both from "The Bridge of Khazad-Dum," FOTR). But if it had wings, why did it fall into the Abyss beneath Helm's Bridge? Was Galdalf's "ever hewing" him (presumably with Glamdring) interfering? I would like your thoughts.

Haha. [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] I don't really know if Balrog has wings or not, but your message reminded me of a documentary about Tolkien that I saw a couple of months ago. [img]tongue.gif[/img] It was about how he got famous, and people started harrassing him on the phone. And then it showed 'him' and his wife sleeping, the phone ringing, and he answers and there's this man with a funny American accent: "Hey... I just wanted to ask... Does the Balrog have wings?" Ahem.

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02-03-2003, 07:18 PM	#12
AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe Hathor Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: At My Computer Age: 44 Posts: 2,217	the flight they are refering to is simply rapid movement. ie "I had to fly to work today because I was running late." and as far as the shadow spreading out like vast wings, that is a similie, comparing the shadows around the balrog, to that of the shadows that would be cast by hude wings. IMO they do not have wings. [ 02-03-2003, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe ] __________________ Now the swinging bridge<br />Is quieted with creepers. . . <br />Like our tendrilled life. -Basho

02-03-2003, 08:42 PM	#13
Tancred White Dragon Join Date: April 1, 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,893	Perhaps Balrogs CAN fly - but only when no-one is looking... __________________ \"HELP! I\'ve superglued myself to a flaming bowling ball!\"

02-05-2003, 05:22 PM	#16
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 5,888	Yeah it certainly has eyes. Whether or not it uses them, and more importantly, if it can see through them is an entirely differen discussion though __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

02-06-2003, 05:05 AM	#17
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	Based on what I've read, I think they do have wings - thether they are vestigial or functional, who knows. __________________

02-11-2003, 12:03 PM	#18
Sever Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 31, 2002 Location: Western Australia Age: 44 Posts: 3,293	Nice topic Attalus. I'll resist temptation to throw myself upon the grenade by adding my two bits. From what can be reasonably surmised from several of his writings, Balrogs do have wings but can not fly. However, i've seen many, many artistic impressions of Balrogs (they are without doubt the most popular of Tolkien's evil creations) and most of them are depicted without wings and, you guessed it, on the ground. The debate continues... __________________ Say say, oh playmate i cannot play with you my dolly's got the flu boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo

02-11-2003, 05:09 PM	#19
The Merciful The Magister Join Date: March 5, 2002 Location: Funland Age: 48 Posts: 109	Version 0.1 were numerous and didn't have wings and drove chariots. Version 1.0 were rare and did have wings and could fly, but everytime they got up to air they were already dead or in too small space or simply had other interests than flying. __________________ * Utterly Bastard Groovy *

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