Decisions, decisions...

[BaRoN NiGhT]

Originally posted by Gangrell: How can people say that Anomen is better than Viconia? He may be a fighter, but give Viconia Crom Faeyr and she becomes a machine, that and the fact she doesn't recite quotes from romance novels, ehhh [img]tongue.gif[/img]

yes [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] u r absolutely right!

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[605]

Anomen isn't a bad person to have in a party, but I have a problem with him mainly because of how he comes to be in your party. For his character type, it's pretty sad and unconvincing that the best thing he can do to meet adventurers is stand in a shadowy corner of a slummy bar and ask everyone that walks by about their interest in helping him. And once he's in the party, it only gets worse.

Viccy is just more the personality type I'd like in my party... Plus, when you find her, she's not hiding out in some tavern hoping someone will help her out. No, she's hurling cusses and insults at the very people who are about to kill her... and once she's free, it's not forgive and forget, heck no! She's at their throats in a second and busting heads! And once she's in the party, it only gets better!

So all game stats aside, and judging on personailty alone... who would you take?

1) Whiny self righteous unmotivated 'knight' who's content with the company of the BBQ pit and the slave drivers at the Copper Coronet? (slave drivers and illegal gambling being only 10 feet from his stupid arse and he doesn't even care... REAL nice, holy man)

or

2) Take no crap, 'left the underdark and make no excuses and will go back if I damn well feel like it' unappologetic ruthless smack-you-in-the-face-with-a-warhammer-if-you-mess-with-me kinda chick?

Yeah, I thought so

[ 07-23-2003, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: 605 ]

[pcgiant]

Originally posted by Gangrell: How can people say that Anomen is better than Viconia? He may be a fighter, but give Viconia Crom Faeyr and she becomes a machine, that and the fact she doesn't recite quotes from romance novels, ehhh [img]tongue.gif[/img]

A machine that can attack in melee once per round.

Anomen is far superior to Viconia in terms of power potential.

[Nerull]

Originally posted by Gangrell: Hmm, I'm having a hard time trying to figure out a good party line up, and I know some choices should be obvious but I need a helping hand right now. Here's my party so far. Equilis Ironsbane- Kensai Aurora Daywalker- Generic Archer Jaheira I'm thinking on picking up a cleric, but it's going to kill me taking Anomen, is he really better than Viconia (and say why for my sake [img]tongue.gif[/img] )? For a mage I think I'll go with Edwin, then as for a thief... I would take Jan, but I was wondering if you can dual class a generic archer over to a thief? Thanks in advance

Hmmm...kensais have no armor and archers are low armor. You are leaning towards evil, despite the archer in the party (Viconia, Edwin, the neutrals instead of good alternatives). I would finish the evil progression and take Korgan as the tank. He can wear the heavier armors and can block the enemies so that you can lay the smack down after they engage him. If need be, you can replace him with the ToB NPC, but he is a strong tank in his own right.

Are you planning to pick up Imoen when you get her back? If so, then I would take Yoshimo as the thief, for reasons that I will not spoil. You can replace him with Imoen with no qualms, as you will see. You will likely get attached to either him or Jan, but Yoshimo gives you the best opportunity to get rid of him (you'll see ). If you are not planning to add Imoen, then definitely add Jan over Yoshimo, especially due to the wizard spells.

Edwin then becomes the party wizard. He gets plenty of spell slots, but still, if you adding Imoen, you will want to get her back pretty quick, otherwise she will fall too far behind, and with Yoshimo instead of Jan in the party means Edwin is the only wizard. You could just add Jan instead of Yoshimo, then dump him and take Imoen in his stead, but you will grow attached to Jan's personality.

Personally, if you are leaning towards the dark side, then I would ditch Imoen. Then, that would make it Korgan, Edwin, and Jan. Keep the rep around 10, and you'll be fine (can't go too low, or your archer will go Fallen).

[Grammar]

I much prefer Viconia as a person and as a Cleric, but Anomen does a good job of killing things with Holy Smite (My favorite Cleric spell early on in the game). Really, it comes down more to a RP perspective than powergaming imo, they are both pretty good at what they do.

About the Fallen Archer... I doubt the Archer CAN fall, given that he is using the Generic Archer (i.e. fighter) kit (as opposed to the Ranger Kit). This means he doesn't get stuff like Racial Enemy (I think) but it also means that he should be immune to becoming Fallen.

I may be wrong though... Never been an Evil Generic Archer as far as I can remember.

Korgan would be a great addition to your party - The Dwarf has a fun personality and is the best Fighter in SoA (Well, PC could be superior if you wanted to be). Nonetheless, he's an amazing Tank and with certain HLA and an upgraded Axe from ToB, he can still kill things amazingly well later on.

Plus he owns Demiliches with his Enrage (or Berserk, I always forget which it's called )

[BaRoN NiGhT]

Originally posted by pcgiant: A machine that can attack in melee once per round. Anomen is far superior to Viconia in terms of power potential.

yes that is quite true, but the question is, do u want a priest or a fighter?if u want a priest, viconia is the best choose, but if u want a fighter, why pick anomen that is a half fighter half priest?why dont pick a true fighter instead?like korgan, or mazzy?its your choose actually, but i dont like half things.i like true things without the interuption of another thing.specialization makes someone much more better in something compared to someone who is generalizationing.

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[Dundee Slaytern]

Anomen is not a multiclassed Fighter/Cleric. He is a Fighter dualed to a Cleric at level 7. Under the SoA XP Cap, Anomen is capable of becoming a level 7/20 Fighter->Cleric, while Viconia can only become a level 21. The issue is further emphasised under the ToB Xp Cap. Anomen can attain level 7/39, while Viconia can only attain level 40.

Both will max out their number of base spell slots.

So it wrong to categorise Anomen as a non-Cleric. Anomen IS a Cleric that has been boosted insanely by his initial Fighter class. Whether it be in spellcasting or bashing the snot out of your enemies, Anomen triumphs over Viconia anytime.

Now... romances, that is a whole different ball game.

[BaRoN NiGhT]

i know that he is dualled class.maybe u dont understand what i mean.i hate dualling or mutli-ing.u cant get the maximum advantaged that is offered to you by doing it.and generalizationing something for just a slight time, and then changing into something by leaving the previous one being stucked there is even worst.wasting time and energy.i'd rather pick a true one.

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[Gangrell]

No, it's not as much as he is skilled Dundee, I can just get a tank and Viconia to make up for Anomen, it's just his personality. I would take him, but to be honest, he gets on my nerves more than Aerie does [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Pirengle]

Originally posted by BaRoN NiGhT: i know that he is dualled class.maybe u dont understand what i mean.i hate dualling or mutli-ing.u cant get the maximum advantaged that is offered to you by doing it.and generalizationing something for just a slight time, and then changing into something by leaving the previous one being stucked there is even worst.wasting time and energy.i'd rather pick a true one.

Anomen gets more attacks per round and the ability to grandmaster (5 stars) in a weapon. A pureclass cleric like Viconia only gets 1 APR and only one star per weapon. (Unless you install the EoU cheat.) The idea behind Anomen's character is a nice one. However, Anomen can be very annoying, and he only has 13 DEX. If you dual a fighter right out of Chateau Irenicus, with better DEX, that character will kick SERIOUS butt.

It's the same principle behind Jaheira. Her fighter half gives her fighter perks, and her cleric AND druid spells (Insect Plague, Animal Summoning, Chaotic Commands...) can easily replace them both. And her romance is better. If you can get through it. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

(Aerie, on the other hand, easily tromps them all by just being a cleric/mage. She can buff like nobody's business, fill sequencers and contingencies with mage AND cleric spells, and can even tank if need be. Go Avariel go!)

I'm with Xen on this one. I think people are letting Viconia's, erm, other talents, cloud their judgment. [img]tongue.gif[/img]