Discussion on CLASS -- Part 1

[Chewbacca]

Down with the ruling class! Of course that class isn't about money, or affluence, or superficial style. It includes all of those, but what it is really about is power. Making it the most dangerous.

Of course if you live that individuality out-ranks class, it matters less. Not seeking the status of or over others is a path to a "class" of its own sort.

[ 01-23-2006, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Paris Hilton is a fine example. Little education, and the money is really all daddy's. But, she's certainly got class and style, evidenced by the fact that she is a top model for both and actually her own trendsetter for both. It's actually funny to watch her, because she knows all too well what matters for her station and class. People make fun of her for being dumb, and she's like "whatever," because she knows that doesn't matter one bit, and therefore doesn't care. Disgusting, really, that she's allowed to continue breathing if you ask me, but there it is. Now, Daddy Hilton is a higher class than Paris, he's actually pretty much "Top Out of Sight" class.

I disagree about her having class, for the simple reason that it doesn't come from her. Do you think she really has culture? Has she ever read a book? Do you think she's coming up with her style alone? She probably have a full team of hairdresser, stylist etc. Do you really think she go out in the street to study people and find out what will work this season?

She's superficial and probably shallow. She doesn't seem to have any more culture than some dumb teen hanging out at the mall to flirt with guys, with one exception. She isn't a teen anymore, and she's using her money to pretend she has class.

Her "class" doesn't come from her, she's paying people to teach her how to pretend. You can dress a monkey and teach it to behave, it still won't be anything else than a trained monkey in a suit.

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Luvian: Has she ever read a book?

She have probably read Vogue magazine. Or at least looked at the pictures.

[Timber Loftis]

Luvian's point reminds me of a saying: Mono in seda, mono se queda. -- A monkey in silk is still a monkey.

But, Luvian, dear man, you are quite mistaken regarding miss Hilton. She needn't have ever read a book. She grew up around culture and class, and is a top model and has been for some time. If you look to what you may think she lacks in culture, you may just find that what she lacks is modesty or tradition. And, those are the exact things she's not selling.

Culture, she makes culture. Reading a book? As if she cares. As I indicated, that matters not when you truly have class. And shallow? How could you even pretend to know? And superficial? Anyone who knows anything or is worth knowing at all is superficial these days -- haven't you heard? Did you not get the memo?

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Luvian's point reminds me of a saying: Mono in seda, mono se queda. -- A monkey in silk is still a monkey. But, Luvian, dear man, you are quite mistaken regarding miss Hilton. She needn't have ever read a book. She grew up around culture and class, and is a top model and has been for some time. If you look to what you may think she lacks in culture, you may just find that what she lacks is modesty or tradition. And, those are the exact things she's not selling. Culture, she makes culture. Reading a book? As if she cares. As I indicated, that matters not when you truly have class. And shallow? How could you even pretend to know? And superficial? Anyone who knows anything or is worth knowing at all is superficial these days -- haven't you heard? Did you not get the memo?

First of all, being a top model mean nothing except that she look physically pleasing to most people. You could take some crak addicted whore in the street, have the makeover team have a go at her, and you'd have a top model. This say nothing about class.

You said class was "Taste, culture, and style". Now I don't know how she act in her private life, but it can be assumed she picked up taste while growing up. That's easy. As for style, you seem to be assuming she's coming up with her look herself. I disagree. Like you said she's a top model. Do you think she pay for clothing? I'm certain she does not. People pay her so that she wear their brand of clothing. Even then, she's the kind of peson that has her own team of stylists and researchists. She doesn't start trend, she wear what people pay her to wear, or what she's told will work by her employes.

Yes she's shallow, no she doesn't have culture. She quit school after high school and spent her life attending parties and making as many scandals as possible. Her claim to fame are falling in a pool while in an evening gown, going topless, cuting in line to a washroom so that she could look at herself in a mirror, dancing on tables, wearing a "'Got Blow?" t-shirt, and her porn vid that "mysteriously" got leaked. If she wasn't a drama queen barbie wannabe she would have no fame.

Without the influence of her name, she'd probably be in a topless bar right now. She never accomplished anything by herself.

[ 01-27-2006, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

[Timber Loftis]

I think she's interesting to analyze, because she pushes the envelope of what class means, and she obviously pushes peoples buttons, like yours.