Mom Laden? - Page 4

Nachtrafe · 12-13-2001, 07:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
OK, a bit of overreaction here I feel!

Just remember guys that what LG said may or may not be too your liking but as far as I can tell there was no personal attack in it. I don't think that that can be considered flame baiting or trolling anymore than John's "Twas the night before payback" thread.

If you feel flamed, don't post. If you want to argue the points then do so - that is what the forum is here for as far as I know (once again I feel the need to point out Ronn as an example here muttermuttergrumblegrumblegoodytwo-shoesmuttermutter). LG wasn't, as a far as I can tell, attacking any of you guys personally. Just American policy in general. All these issues have been covered here before without so much aggression so can we please all calm down.

Ummm...may I ask to whom this, specifically, is addressed? Since you pointed out Ronn as the 'goody-two shoes', I can only assume you mean that I am being 'bad'. I guess I dont understand. Yes, I am angry with what LG posted, and I reacted with some heat in my above post. But nowhere in it did I flame or insult him. I *DID* point out that he was trolling, because he *DID* make a PERSONAL attack, but I DID NOT flame back. So, methinks you should re-read some things before you start flinging accusations.

PS: Just for clarification...In what way is telling me(me personally mind you, not 'me' as in a class of citizen, or a group of people sharing a common thought...but ME, Personally) "nachtrafe. i dont think that there is ANY reason to beproud to live in the usa. actually i think you should be ashamed of what your country does all over the world." not trollish and inflamatory?

Morgan_Corbesant · 12-13-2001, 07:43 PM

and NO gabriel, im NOT ashamed to live in America. we are called the land of the free, and the home of the brave for a reason. i am PROUD to live here, nuff said.

[img]graemlins/ninja.gif[/img]

Jerhal · 12-14-2001, 02:08 AM

If the US was warlike, wouldn't we OWN Japan, and parts of Europe after WWII? Thats what seperated the US a long time ago from every other nation that ever existed. We don't just leave nations starving and in ruin after they get conqured for wars they started. In the gulf war wouldn't we have taken over Iraq and taken their oil as our own if we were 'warlike?'. Why does America get involved in wars then if not to take land and resources? To kill people? Then why havn't we Nuked afghan cities if we don't care about the innocents living there, and just want to get rid of them? And why feed them of all things? I just don't see the reasoning in your point.

Now the Soviet Union, that was a warlike nation. Not that I can blame them given the millions of their people that died because Germany backstabed them.

Barry the Sprout · 12-14-2001, 05:29 AM

OK, I will butt out now. I just didn't think it was a personal attack thats all. It mentioned you Nacthrafe, but not exactly in a "You are an idiot" context. And you are not the only person posting in here are you, sorry if my comments seemed like they singled you out. Didn't mean it that way.

BTW whoever mentioned that the US had no financial interests in Afghanistan? You are lucky that SC isn't around right now, ouch! Suffice to say that I think there is a massive financial incentive for this action and we have discussed it repeatedly in all sorts of threads.

Ronn_Bman · 12-14-2001, 07:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
BTW whoever mentioned that the US had no financial interests in Afghanistan? You are lucky that SC isn't around right now, ouch! Suffice to say that I think there is a massive financial incentive for this action and we have discussed it repeatedly in all sorts of threads.

I said it, and I've argued the point repeatedly with SC and will continue to rebut this idea. To say that the conflict in Afghanistan is about money, or a pipeline, after September 11th just doesn't make sense. If we really wanted the oil from the region, why worry about a landlocked country that would only be part of a pipeline. Why not just take a country with a huge oil supply and a coast, so we can load it directly into US tankers?

I still find it amazing that people who want to be against something will use anything they can to make their point, even though there is something quite a bit more obvious as the reason. Why believe the obvious when there could be a hidden agenda? Some may not think the war in Afghanistan is the right way to go, but that doesn't mean that every conspiracy theory that could possible apply does.

But maybe, just maybe, Bush, the Nazi's who've been in hiding since the end of WWII, Saddam Hussein, and Osama are all working together on this....

You are absolutely right about one thing. This has been discussed repeatedly, and I only made my statement after someone brought economics into the argument. Every time this is brought up I will call it untrue, because it's unfair to the American people to say that the September 11th attacks aren't the reason we're in Afghanistan.

Magness · 12-14-2001, 11:31 AM

I want to thank Ronn_Bman, Morgan_Corbesant, Nachtrafe for their strong defense of the US in this thread. I had not entered this thread prior to this morning because the title didn't grab my attention. Stupid me.

Nachtrafe, what does "trolling" mean? I can get a general idea from the context, but I'd like a more accurate definition. Thanks.

I want to thank Morgan_Corbesant directly for his honorable service to our country. Thank you, marine. And thanks to your fellow marines.

And to "leverage" Ronn's line...
I AM INCREDIBLY PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

Barry the Sprout · 12-14-2001, 12:14 PM

Yeah Ronn, we have covered this before and I don't think either of us are moving now. But just to say that I don't think it is a conspiracy theory and I don't belittle the attacks by saying that I think there is also another reason. I think we have wanted to go into Afghanistan for a while and this is the "final straw" so to speak. But as you say, we have been over this. Just to clarify where I stand, thats all.

And in the style of Magness I am going to congratulate all the people on my side of the argument in this thread, oh... where've they gone? Guys! Guys!

*Barry wanders aroung aimlessly for a few minutes before sitting in a corner to talk to the voices*

Magness · 12-14-2001, 12:35 PM

Good morning, Barry.

Since I hadn't read this thread until this morning, I felt that I needed to make some comment. But since, at least IMHO, Ronn had said things so eloquently, there was no need to reiterate. A simple expression of support seemed the most appropriate.

I'm also assuming that the lack of people on "your side" is either a matter of time zones or the fact that today is Friday.

Ronn_Bman · 12-14-2001, 12:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
*Barry wanders aroung aimlessly for a few minutes before sitting in a corner to talk to the voices*

You hear voices, too? Coool! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Ronn_Bman · 12-14-2001, 12:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Magness:
what does "trolling" mean? I can get a general idea from the context, but I'd like a more accurate definition. Thanks.

Trolling is making an inflammatory statement with the clear intent of being offensive and causing trouble.

One of the mods can give a better definition, but I think that sums it up.

12-13-2001, 07:42 PM	#31
Nachtrafe Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 9, 2001 Location: Upstate NY, USA Age: 53 Posts: 889	quote: Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: OK, a bit of overreaction here I feel! Just remember guys that what LG said may or may not be too your liking but as far as I can tell there was no personal attack in it. I don't think that that can be considered flame baiting or trolling anymore than John's "Twas the night before payback" thread. If you feel flamed, don't post. If you want to argue the points then do so - that is what the forum is here for as far as I know (once again I feel the need to point out Ronn as an example here muttermuttergrumblegrumblegoodytwo-shoesmuttermutter). LG wasn't, as a far as I can tell, attacking any of you guys personally. Just American policy in general. All these issues have been covered here before without so much aggression so can we please all calm down. Ummm...may I ask to whom this, specifically, is addressed? Since you pointed out Ronn as the 'goody-two shoes', I can only assume you mean that I am being 'bad'. I guess I dont understand. Yes, I am angry with what LG posted, and I reacted with some heat in my above post. But nowhere in it did I flame or insult him. I DID point out that he was trolling, because he DID make a PERSONAL attack, but I DID NOT flame back. So, methinks you should re-read some things before you start flinging accusations. PS: Just for clarification...In what way is telling me(me personally mind you, not 'me' as in a class of citizen, or a group of people sharing a common thought...but ME, Personally) "nachtrafe. i dont think that there is ANY reason to beproud to live in the usa. actually i think you should be ashamed of what your country does all over the world." not trollish and inflamatory? __________________ ~~OFFICIAL BOYTOY OF CLOUDY'S CAFE....WELL...OK...JUST CLOUDY!~~ "May the wings of liberty never lose a feather!"

12-13-2001, 07:43 PM	#32
Morgan_Corbesant Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 19, 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 47 Posts: 1,224	and NO gabriel, im NOT ashamed to live in America. we are called the land of the free, and the home of the brave for a reason. i am PROUD to live here, nuff said. [img]graemlins/ninja.gif[/img] __________________ Morgan Corbesant, Elven BladeSinger, Captain of the army of the Seldarine<br /><br /> [img]\"http://www.rleeermey.com/images/linkbanners/usmcredwhiteblue.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Protector of Elves<br />Slayer of Orcs<br /><br />ALL YOUR BASE, ARE BELONG TO US!!!<br />I DON\'T FIGHT FOR HONOR, I FIGHT TO WIN!<br />\"One who is a samurai must before all things keep constantly in mind, by day and by night...the fact that he has to die\". <br />-Daidoji Yuzan-<br />16th Century

12-14-2001, 02:08 AM	#33
Jerhal Dungeon Master Join Date: December 2, 2001 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 74	If the US was warlike, wouldn't we OWN Japan, and parts of Europe after WWII? Thats what seperated the US a long time ago from every other nation that ever existed. We don't just leave nations starving and in ruin after they get conqured for wars they started. In the gulf war wouldn't we have taken over Iraq and taken their oil as our own if we were 'warlike?'. Why does America get involved in wars then if not to take land and resources? To kill people? Then why havn't we Nuked afghan cities if we don't care about the innocents living there, and just want to get rid of them? And why feed them of all things? I just don't see the reasoning in your point. Now the Soviet Union, that was a warlike nation. Not that I can blame them given the millions of their people that died because Germany backstabed them. __________________ Welcome to Rivendell, Mister Anderson.<p>How wonderfuly mad of you...<p>www.youhaventlived.com/kodt<br />www.hoodyhoo.com

12-14-2001, 05:29 AM	#34
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 42 Posts: 1,815	OK, I will butt out now. I just didn't think it was a personal attack thats all. It mentioned you Nacthrafe, but not exactly in a "You are an idiot" context. And you are not the only person posting in here are you, sorry if my comments seemed like they singled you out. Didn't mean it that way. BTW whoever mentioned that the US had no financial interests in Afghanistan? You are lucky that SC isn't around right now, ouch! Suffice to say that I think there is a massive financial incentive for this action and we have discussed it repeatedly in all sorts of threads. __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

12-14-2001, 07:56 AM	#35
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	quote: Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: BTW whoever mentioned that the US had no financial interests in Afghanistan? You are lucky that SC isn't around right now, ouch! Suffice to say that I think there is a massive financial incentive for this action and we have discussed it repeatedly in all sorts of threads. I said it, and I've argued the point repeatedly with SC and will continue to rebut this idea. To say that the conflict in Afghanistan is about money, or a pipeline, after September 11th just doesn't make sense. If we really wanted the oil from the region, why worry about a landlocked country that would only be part of a pipeline. Why not just take a country with a huge oil supply and a coast, so we can load it directly into US tankers? I still find it amazing that people who want to be against something will use anything they can to make their point, even though there is something quite a bit more obvious as the reason. Why believe the obvious when there could be a hidden agenda? Some may not think the war in Afghanistan is the right way to go, but that doesn't mean that every conspiracy theory that could possible apply does. But maybe, just maybe, Bush, the Nazi's who've been in hiding since the end of WWII, Saddam Hussein, and Osama are all working together on this.... You are absolutely right about one thing. This has been discussed repeatedly, and I only made my statement after someone brought economics into the argument. Every time this is brought up I will call it untrue, because it's unfair to the American people to say that the September 11th attacks aren't the reason we're in Afghanistan. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-14-2001, 11:31 AM	#36
Magness Quintesson Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Manchester, NH, USA Posts: 1,025	I want to thank Ronn_Bman, Morgan_Corbesant, Nachtrafe for their strong defense of the US in this thread. I had not entered this thread prior to this morning because the title didn't grab my attention. Stupid me. Nachtrafe, what does "trolling" mean? I can get a general idea from the context, but I'd like a more accurate definition. Thanks. I want to thank Morgan_Corbesant directly for his honorable service to our country. Thank you, marine. And thanks to your fellow marines. And to "leverage" Ronn's line... I AM INCREDIBLY PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

12-14-2001, 12:14 PM	#37
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 42 Posts: 1,815	Yeah Ronn, we have covered this before and I don't think either of us are moving now. But just to say that I don't think it is a conspiracy theory and I don't belittle the attacks by saying that I think there is also another reason. I think we have wanted to go into Afghanistan for a while and this is the "final straw" so to speak. But as you say, we have been over this. Just to clarify where I stand, thats all. And in the style of Magness I am going to congratulate all the people on my side of the argument in this thread, oh... where've they gone? Guys! Guys! Barry wanders aroung aimlessly for a few minutes before sitting in a corner to talk to the voices __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

12-14-2001, 12:35 PM	#38
Magness Quintesson Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Manchester, NH, USA Posts: 1,025	Good morning, Barry. Since I hadn't read this thread until this morning, I felt that I needed to make some comment. But since, at least IMHO, Ronn had said things so eloquently, there was no need to reiterate. A simple expression of support seemed the most appropriate. I'm also assuming that the lack of people on "your side" is either a matter of time zones or the fact that today is Friday.

12-14-2001, 12:39 PM	#40
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	quote: Originally posted by Magness: what does "trolling" mean? I can get a general idea from the context, but I'd like a more accurate definition. Thanks. Trolling is making an inflammatory statement with the clear intent of being offensive and causing trouble. One of the mods can give a better definition, but I think that sums it up. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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