UN Workers

[AzureWolf]

Originally posted by Epona: Oh it's OK, my post wasn't really directed at you because I know that our views are not too far apart! But you know me, I have to get in on the debate.

And glad I am that you do
I like your input.
Reflects my opinions more often than not.

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"I was born of darkness. My fathers eyes closed before mine opened. I am not of this world or the other, and I have the right to be what I am..."

Overlord of all that I behold and anything that i happen to not notice either.

Founding Hamlet of the HADB.

[250]

Originally posted by AzureWolf: War is not the correct term but punishment is? Are the people who have no involvement with Bin Laden to be punished just the same? Because that is what is happening. Just another point to some others here. It might be good to sit on your computer and say that some civilan casualties are acceptable in the course of this "punishment" but could you say that if you were faced with the families of those innocents killed?

well, dont put words in my mouth, thank you
it is a punishment to TALIBAN, a death sentence to OMAR
where did I say a punishment to AFHAG PEOPLE?

[DragonMage]

Just a bit of an update if anyone cares...

Newest information in an article on MSN - the workers were not exactly U.N. workers - they were Afghani security guards employed by an agency affiliated with the U.N. And they were working in a building that was located right next to an old radio tower that the US thought was being used by the Taliban. Not that it really matters - the people died. Just thought it interesting that there was also absolutely NO mention that they were there removing mines, either. Whatever. I can see that my point was completely missed by some (or ignored) earlier, so I won't post in this thread anymore.

[J.J.]

Originally posted by AzureWolf: War is not the correct term but punishment is? Are the people who have no involvement with Bin Laden to be punished just the same? Because that is what is happening. Just another point to some others here. It might be good to sit on your computer and say that some civilan casualties are acceptable in the course of this "punishment" but could you say that if you were faced with the families of those innocents killed?

War IS the correct term - have any taken the time to realize that under the statutes and rules of the United Nations - the charter that governs a country's acceptance and behavior while in the un - gives us the complete legal right to defend against and pursue and kill and destroy those who attacked us on sept 11?
yes, introduce me to those poor families of "innocents" killed. I have a few families of nypd officers killed doing nothing more than trying to rescue their fellow human beings from disaster. let's introduce them all to each other, AW



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[AzureWolf]

Originally posted by 250: well, dont put words in my mouth, thank you it is a punishment to TALIBAN, a death sentence to OMAR where did I say a punishment to AFHAG PEOPLE?

So the Afgan people are just unfortunate side affects of the punishment?

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"I was born of darkness. My fathers eyes closed before mine opened. I am not of this world or the other, and I have the right to be what I am..."

Overlord of all that I behold and anything that i happen to not notice either.

Founding Hamlet of the HADB.

[AzureWolf]

Originally posted by DragonMage: Just a bit of an update if anyone cares... Newest information in an article on MSN - the workers were not exactly U.N. workers - they were Afghani security guards employed by an agency affiliated with the U.N. And they were working in a building that was located right next to an old radio tower that the US thought was being used by the Taliban. Not that it really matters - the people died. Just thought it interesting that there was also absolutely NO mention that they were there removing mines, either. Whatever. I can see that my point was completely missed by some (or ignored) earlier, so I won't post in this thread anymore.

I thought I did a post earlier in relation to your post??
Or maybe it got lost in my ranting and raving
Sorry DM I might be trying to get my points across a bit too strongly tonight
Im too tired to think straight now so sorry if I offended.

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"I was born of darkness. My fathers eyes closed before mine opened. I am not of this world or the other, and I have the right to be what I am..."

Overlord of all that I behold and anything that i happen to not notice either.

Founding Hamlet of the HADB.

Originally posted by DragonMage: You know, not to sound paranoid - I'm just very cynical... I'm not saying that these innocent people DIDN'T die in the bombing, but how do we know that they did? Could it be propaganda? These people could have been killed by the Taliban and they just SAID that they were killed in the bombing.

I thought the very same thing.. weird.




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[DragonMage]

Originally posted by AzureWolf: I thought I did a post earlier in relation to your post?? Or maybe it got lost in my ranting and raving Sorry DM I might be trying to get my points across a bit too strongly tonight Im too tired to think straight now so sorry if I offended.

'Tweren't you, oh Illustrious Leader! No worries!

I think for some reason someone's trying to get a rise out of me and I just simply refuse. I believe what I believe. I don't believe it just because I was raised that way, but because my intellect and inquisitive nature have led me to my conclusions. I spent too much of my life believing anything anyone told me because I wouldn't believe that they had any reason to lie. I found out the hard way. Same thing for anyone reporting anything (and they DO have reason). I try to keep an open mind anytime anyone presents me with information of a controversial nature.

[Diogenes Of Pumpkintown]

It is right to be skeptical of claims at this point, by BOTH sides. The US government and military has demonstrated time and again throughout history that it will cheerfully lie to its own people in order to carry out its purposes.

The Gulf War comes to mind. Remember in that war how the US military and press maintained throughout that our air strikes were all of a surgical nature against military targets only with a minimum of civilian casualties? It wasn't until afterwards that the truth came out that was a bald faced lie.

[J.J.]

Originally posted by DragonMage: 'Tweren't you, oh Illustrious Leader! No worries! I think for some reason someone's trying to get a rise out of me and I just simply refuse. I believe what I believe. I don't believe it just because I was raised that way, but because my intellect and inquisitive nature have led me to my conclusions. I spent too much of my life believing anything anyone told me because I wouldn't believe that they had any reason to lie. I found out the hard way. Same thing for anyone reporting anything (and they DO have reason). I try to keep an open mind anytime anyone presents me with information of a controversial nature.

always a good plan, DM


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Unstinting Gaurdian of Children
Defender of Those Unable To

Official Pin-Up Girl Evaluator/Massager of the O.L.D. C.O.O.T.S. Clan
To Err is Human To Forgive Divine, However Neither is U.S. Marine Corps Policy.