The Two Towers is great

[Heatmiser]

I really enjoyed TTT, with the aforementioned exception of Faramir's character and the trip to Osgiliath. Everything else was understandable for cinematic reasons. I actually understood moreso the reason for Elrond's character departure from the books in this movie, while in FotR I didn't like it at all. He seemed to cynical and harsh. It makes more sense after TTT to play up the big decision Arwen has before her and the conflict Elrond has as a father.
Finally, I will be extremely disappointed if the rumors about RotK are true- specifically, that the Scouring of the Shire will be left out. The whole rest of the story doesn't have the same impact if you don't get to see how it affected life in the near utopian Shire and how the hobbit-heroes (mainly Merry and Pippin) make things right again. I suppose if Saruman dies at Orthanc, then it is almost a forgone conclusion that the Scouring will be left out. I have really thought that Peter Jackson has done the book justice so far, but that opinion will change if he leaves this out.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Horatio: However, I really did begin to despise Frodo. During the battle of Helm's Deep, the action was totally ripe. The audience was totally captivated, and nearly everyone was sitting forward in their chairs. Aragorn slices his way through an army of orcs, Legolas uses a metal sheet to skate down some stairs, and Gimli is counting the kills. THen it switches to Frodo and Sam walking through a city, and you could hear the sighs of frustration in the room and the sound of 60 people settling back into their chairs. It then struck me that Frodo is a pansy . In the Fellowship, on Weathertop (s/p?) when the Nazgul are attacking, Sam goes forwards and gets sliced away. Then Merry and Pippin step together, and are each put to one side. the Nazgul gets to Frodo, and he doesn't even ready himself. He falls backwards and then goes invisible. Now, I know that its not every day that you get confronted by some dude with a REALLY bad throat problem and a fetish for black, but still, it left me with the impression that yes, while the putting-on of the ring HAD to be worked in there somewhere, Frodo could have done more.

What??? I got sick of Frodo's pansy ways by the time I finished reading Weathertop in the first book. I always thought he was worthless. His only virtue was his willingness to be led wherever - good for a ringbearer (a quality Isildur could have used more of, in fact).

[Malavon's Rage]

just saw the movie last night and i say its the best movie i've ever seen,

SPOILERSSSSS

The best part was when the ents were ripping peices of wall off of Isengard and hurling them at the orcs, remember the part where one took a boulder and rolled it like a bowling ball?HILARIOUS. And if i do remember correctly Aragorns "big daddy" sword he got at Rivendell where it was reforged, in the fellowship of the ring do you remember when Boromir sees Aragorns sword and he has a "holy-crap" expression on his face?

[Timber Loftis]

Actually, I don't remember Boromir's expression that you are referring to. In fact, I was a bit disappointed they didn't even mention the re-forging in the movie, since it was such a scene in the book at the Council of Rivendale.

As well, I think the movies tell too little about the cool magic items. The people I saw the movie with thought it a bit hoakey that Frodos cloak hid he and Sam from the nearby baddies at the Black Gates. Then I explained that elven cloaks have an ability to blend into the natural surroundings, and if you would have noticed, the CGI was well-done and the cloak looked just like the rocky dirt at that moment. Anywho, I guess they see that stuff as fluff that moviegoers don't need to understand to enjoy the movie.

[ 12-27-2002, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[quote]Originally posted by Timber Loftis:

Originally posted by Horatio: [qb]What??? I got sick of Frodo's pansy ways by the time I finished reading Weathertop in the first book. I always thought he was worthless. His only virtue was his willingness to be led wherever - good for a ringbearer (a quality Isildur could have used more of, in fact).

<font color="#ff00cc">Ummm Frodo made a good ring bearer due to his uncommonly strong will power. He resisted the influence of a Ring that even the Three greatest most powerful beings in Middle earth (other than sauron) could not endure. (Galadriel, Gandalf and Elrond) err well Tom Bombadil was probably the strongest but no one is really sure what he was.....

Err in a fight though Frodo was a total waste [img]smile.gif[/img]

As for Aragorns sword..Narsil was not given to him till the sons of Elrond and the remaining Dunadain meet up with him around Helms Deep...along with the banner that Arwen made for him. He was not carrying Narsil when he met Boromir or when they went through Moria....

Damn, Im totaly jazzed waiting for the extended play DVD to come out now...I want to see if there was any more to the scene with the fight between Gandalf and the Balrog...awesome piece that was!!!! </font>

[ 12-27-2002, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Timber Loftis]

Well, guess I got the sword thing wrong. Hey, MagiK, please tell me how the extended FOTR DVD was. I'm dying to know. LIke an idiot, I bought it when it was first released and now can't be bothered to waste the money. I've learned - I'll certainly hold off where TTT is concerned.

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Well, guess I got the sword thing wrong. Hey, MagiK, please tell me how the extended FOTR DVD was. I'm dying to know. LIke an idiot, I bought it when it was first released and now can't be bothered to waste the money. I've learned - I'll certainly hold off where TTT is concerned.

<font color="#ff00cc">TL, spend the money on the extended version....In my opinion it was worth it. I thought the extra footage was great! I would not even think of not getting it or TTT extended version.....a caveat is that This reccomendation is for LoTR fans [img]smile.gif[/img] if you are just a casual fantasy movie fan, Im sure you can live without it [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

[ 12-27-2002, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Timber Loftis]

What are the notable additional parts, Mr. Muppets?

[Tancred]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: What are the notable additional parts, Mr. Muppets?

Loads of stuff!

- An extended Shire section - Bilbo writing his book, more Gandalf, more Party
- An extended Lothlorien - too much stuff to list; suffice to say, in this version it makes sense
- An extended Council of Elrond - Gandalf reciting the Ringverse, Boromir's 'dream'
- Extended fight scenes - the Chamber of Mazarbul, Amon Hen (Amon Hen is COOL)
- We find out how Isildur ended up face down in a river
- Aragorn turning down the offer of Narsil being reforged
- More Boromir and Aragorn
- More Gimli and Legolas

And a few other bits that will make anyone who has read the book smile. Add in 2 hours of documentaries - including some excellent ones about the cast - and you;ve got what is, essentially, a much improved version.

To clear up this thing about Narsil once and for all.
In the Book, Aragorn - much wanting to reclaim his kingship - had Narsil reforged at Rivendell. It was renamed 'Anduril' and he carried it through Moria. Galadriel gave him a scabbard for it. He used it to impress Eomer's Riders when he first met them. It's mentioned in lots of fight scenes. Even before it was reforged, Aragorn carried the shards of the sword with him wherever he went.

In the Film, Aragorn - who does not want to reclaim his kingship - declines to have Narsil reforged, despite Elrond's offer. Aragorn carries his standard two-handed blade all throughout Fellowship and Two Towers; if any clarification is needed, there is a closeup of Aragorn's sword-hilt sometime after leaving Rivendell, and it is definitely NOT Narsil.
A scene I saw in one trailer shows a hooded figure walking up the steps to the plinth upon which Narsil sits. I'm willing to bet a lot of cash that this hooded figure is Arwen, still in her 'Leaving for the Havens' costume, and that SHE is the one who will bring Aragorn his sword in Return of the King.

Tancred

[Niadh]

Arwen WILL bring the sword to Aragron, that way she can fight at the big battles in the book. And allow the the actress (name slipped mind right now) to feature.