Hammer +4 vs Giantkin. What is giantkin? - Page 2

Kyrvias · 05-29-2005, 05:43 PM

Ogres are alot in BG 1, so that explains alot...

timothy trotter · 05-29-2005, 07:16 PM

iirc, there is only one giantkin then, it seems strange that they put this hammer in for only one monster, that can be avoided completely. i think it must be used against orgres and golems, pretty much creatures that are bigger than you are.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 05-29-2005, 09:45 PM

But golems aren't giantkin. They're golems... I'll actually be mad if it does give bonuses against golems; it's just not right.

Deathsangel · 05-30-2005, 11:56 AM

Repeating myself:

From monster manual: giants, ettins, trolls and ogres (even more, but I do not think they are in the game)

Thus timothy it works on Ogres.

Golems fall under constructs. Like all animated objects. See also the monster manual

Bithron · 05-30-2005, 12:58 PM

Ettins
Giants
and
Ogres
I Think...

Jerr Conner · 05-30-2005, 06:16 PM

Kneecapper? It works on Adamantium and Iron Golems.

Imrahil · 05-30-2005, 08:53 PM

To clarify, though, it "works" on pretty much anything short of Anath, meaning it can hit creatures that require +1 or better to hit, +2 or better to hit, +3 or better to hit, & +4 or better to hit.

*But*, it only gets +4 to THAC0 & +4 to damage vs. Giants & Giant-kin, which, depending on who you ask, is either Giants & Ettins -or- Giants & Ettins & Ogres & Trolls. It only gets +1 to THAC0 & damage vs. all other creatures.

I don't know the answer as far as what the game considers Giant-kin, but I do know that it can hit, for example, Fire Elementals (which require +2 or better to hit), even though it only gets +1 THAC0 & +1 damage while doing so.

- Imrahil

Kyrvias · 05-30-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bithron:
Ettins
Giants
and
Ogres
I Think...

don't you mean:

Ettins
Giants
and
Ogres
Oh my!

timothy trotter · 05-30-2005, 11:48 PM

i dont understand this post ^^^^^^^

Jerr Conner · 05-31-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imrahil:
To clarify, though, it "works" on pretty much anything short of Anath, meaning it can hit creatures that require +1 or better to hit, +2 or better to hit, +3 or better to hit, & +4 or better to hit.

*But*, it only gets +4 to THAC0 & +4 to damage vs. Giants & Giant-kin, which, depending on who you ask, is either Giants & Ettins -or- Giants & Ettins & Ogres & Trolls. It only gets +1 to THAC0 & damage vs. all other creatures.

I don't know the answer as far as what the game considers Giant-kin, but I do know that it can hit, for example, Fire Elementals (which require +2 or better to hit), even though it only gets +1 THAC0 & +1 damage while doing so.

- Imrahil

Hmm, but whhy does it work against Iron and Adamantium Golems if it's only +1-2? Cause only +3 and above are supposed to hurt them.

05-29-2005, 07:16 PM	#12
timothy trotter Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 29, 2004 Location: south australia Age: 43 Posts: 603	iirc, there is only one giantkin then, it seems strange that they put this hammer in for only one monster, that can be avoided completely. i think it must be used against orgres and golems, pretty much creatures that are bigger than you are. __________________ Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!<br />You will stay in the comfy chair until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at 11!

05-29-2005, 09:45 PM	#13
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	But golems aren't giantkin. They're golems... I'll actually be mad if it does give bonuses against golems; it's just not right. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

05-30-2005, 11:56 AM	#14
Deathsangel Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: March 9, 2005 Location: The Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 35	Repeating myself: From monster manual: giants, ettins, trolls and ogres (even more, but I do not think they are in the game) Thus timothy it works on Ogres. Golems fall under constructs. Like all animated objects. See also the monster manual __________________ It has been revived! The Mod for the Wicked, the mod for new evil roleplay options and new evil allies. Find it at SHS

05-30-2005, 12:58 PM	#15
Bithron Baaz Draconian Join Date: May 2, 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 789	Ettins Giants and Ogres I Think... __________________ Let it not be said that it was done out of pride

05-30-2005, 06:16 PM	#16
Jerr Conner Silver Dragon Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: Mundania Age: 43 Posts: 1,634	Kneecapper? It works on Adamantium and Iron Golems. __________________ <b>Founder of the NPC Defender Force</b>, <b>Affiliate of the Pro-Mazzy Society</b><br />\"I hate to admit it but you\'ve earned my respect.\"--Shar-Teel (Thanks for this Illumina Drathiran\'ar)<br /> [img]\"http://userpic.livejournal.com/14048184/35120\" alt=\" - \" />

05-29-2005, 05:43 PM	#11
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	Ogres are alot in BG 1, so that explains alot...

05-30-2005, 08:53 PM	#17
Imrahil Elminster Join Date: November 4, 2001 Location: North Carolina, USA Posts: 469	To clarify, though, it "works" on pretty much anything short of Anath, meaning it can hit creatures that require +1 or better to hit, +2 or better to hit, +3 or better to hit, & +4 or better to hit. But, it only gets +4 to THAC0 & +4 to damage vs. Giants & Giant-kin, which, depending on who you ask, is either Giants & Ettins -or- Giants & Ettins & Ogres & Trolls. It only gets +1 to THAC0 & damage vs. all other creatures. I don't know the answer as far as what the game considers Giant-kin, but I do know that it can hit, for example, Fire Elementals (which require +2 or better to hit), even though it only gets +1 THAC0 & +1 damage while doing so. - Imrahil

05-30-2005, 11:48 PM	#19
timothy trotter Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 29, 2004 Location: south australia Age: 43 Posts: 603	i dont understand this post ^^^^^^^ __________________ Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!<br />You will stay in the comfy chair until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at 11!

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