Donkeys?

Chewbacca · 11-23-2003, 02:31 AM

Making an ass of the coalition by using asses against the coalition. If it wasn't such a sad, stupid, and dangerous situation it might actually have been funny.

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Baghdad, Iraq - Guerrillas fired more than a dozen rockets from donkey carts Friday at three of this city's most prominent buildings. They failed to kill anyone, but did underscore the stark vulnerability of Americans and the Iraqis who cooperate with them.

skywalker · 11-23-2003, 06:38 AM

So tell me, who is watching the green zone in Baghdad if donkey carts with rocket launchers can attack?

OTOH how is it that roadside bombs are set on roads that coalition forces travel on? Who is watching the roads?

I would think that the security of the green zone and of our own soldiers would be job ONE. There must be ways to keep an area safe. Our forces are fighting a much smaller enemy with superior technology, why are we having such trouble?

I think it must be the human factor. It may very well be outsiders and Pro-Saddam Baathists that are causing the resistance. But it may also be that average Iraqis are starting to feel that they need to support the militants. If every time there is an attack on a helicopter, or hotel, or when a bomb goes off, we respond by kicking down doors and terrorizing locals, what will the result be from the innocents. Even if we "get the badguys" who blew up the aircraft, do the people there understand what is happening in the neighborhood?

I also realize that the info I get is from our media and that we may not always "kick down doors and take 'em away with bags on their heads", but that is what we see.

As long as there are violent clashes, there will be violent responses. It seems there is a terrorist factory churning them out and sending them to Iraq (except they are starting to show up in Saudi Arabia and Turkey as well).

I don't know where this post is going, I guess I'm off on a tangent. All I meant to say is why can't the people in charge make it work. I wish I had a solution, but I don't. All I have is questions.

Sorry Chewbacca, I am not trying to derail your thread (it may be too late).

Mark

Chewbacca · 11-24-2003, 03:51 AM

You raise some interesting questions skywalker, not a derailment at all.

If we continue to alienate the Iraqi's further with iron-fisted tactics that simply reek of short-sided revenge IMO, then the intelligence gap that the military command has been griping about for months will just grow wider.

Does anyone remember this summer when they announced that less iron-fisted tactics were to be used because they were fueling the restistence rather than weakening it. What happend to that logic? Well I have a hunch..going on the iron-fisted offensive like that makes good headlines and boosts moral...in the short term. Short term gains that could lead to long-term ill according to the logic present by the military command just a few months ago.

11-23-2003, 06:38 AM	#2
skywalker Banned User Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: VT, USA Age: 64 Posts: 3,097	So tell me, who is watching the green zone in Baghdad if donkey carts with rocket launchers can attack? OTOH how is it that roadside bombs are set on roads that coalition forces travel on? Who is watching the roads? I would think that the security of the green zone and of our own soldiers would be job ONE. There must be ways to keep an area safe. Our forces are fighting a much smaller enemy with superior technology, why are we having such trouble? I think it must be the human factor. It may very well be outsiders and Pro-Saddam Baathists that are causing the resistance. But it may also be that average Iraqis are starting to feel that they need to support the militants. If every time there is an attack on a helicopter, or hotel, or when a bomb goes off, we respond by kicking down doors and terrorizing locals, what will the result be from the innocents. Even if we "get the badguys" who blew up the aircraft, do the people there understand what is happening in the neighborhood? I also realize that the info I get is from our media and that we may not always "kick down doors and take 'em away with bags on their heads", but that is what we see. As long as there are violent clashes, there will be violent responses. It seems there is a terrorist factory churning them out and sending them to Iraq (except they are starting to show up in Saudi Arabia and Turkey as well). I don't know where this post is going, I guess I'm off on a tangent. All I meant to say is why can't the people in charge make it work. I wish I had a solution, but I don't. All I have is questions. Sorry Chewbacca, I am not trying to derail your thread (it may be too late). Mark

11-24-2003, 03:51 AM	#3
Chewbacca Zartan Join Date: July 18, 2001 Location: America, On The Beautiful Earth Age: 51 Posts: 5,373	You raise some interesting questions skywalker, not a derailment at all. If we continue to alienate the Iraqi's further with iron-fisted tactics that simply reek of short-sided revenge IMO, then the intelligence gap that the military command has been griping about for months will just grow wider. Does anyone remember this summer when they announced that less iron-fisted tactics were to be used because they were fueling the restistence rather than weakening it. What happend to that logic? Well I have a hunch..going on the iron-fisted offensive like that makes good headlines and boosts moral...in the short term. Short term gains that could lead to long-term ill according to the logic present by the military command just a few months ago.

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