Azura's Star and capturing souls?

The Merciful · 04-06-2006, 06:34 AM

I don't get it. I tried to soul trap a high level dremora (or was it a xivilai?), had Azura's Star in my inventory, and I got a message saying I don't have a big enough soulstone for this soul. No soul captured. What gives?

johnny · 04-06-2006, 06:43 AM

Perhaps your skill isn't high enough to trap a soul like that ? If i recall correctly there are several soultrap spells for sale, including one called "legendary soultrap". Which one did you use ?

Radek · 04-06-2006, 07:06 AM

Trapping a soul does not depend on a skill. The only things that matter are: (1) Was the Soultrap spell active when the victim died? and (2) Do you have a sufficient soul gem?

The message hints that the Soultrap has succeeded. I see only one possible reason of failure: the Azura's star was not epmpty when the dremora died. This can happen easily if the Soultrap has the area effect. You cast the spell on your victim, the spell succeeds - but more monters are trapped. Now, a "wrong" monster gets killed first and the star gets it. And so on.

The Merciful · 04-06-2006, 07:24 AM

Did some quick testing. I can capture storm atronachts, which have great souls. I need to test some more with createres with grand souls. I've also read you can not capture humanoid souls unless you have a black soul gem, but surely dremora don't count as humanoid...

Sever · 04-06-2006, 09:06 AM

Black soul gems? Sounds like there's fun to be had playing a nasty pasty sorceror! That's something i missed being able to do in Morrowind.

The Merciful · 04-06-2006, 10:39 AM

Hmm... I can capture grand level ogre souls just fine, but when I went to Oblivion and tried take the soul of a dremora valkynaz, I didn't succeed. Azura's Star was empty. Either dremoras count as humanoids or it is some other bug.

Kyrvias · 04-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Dremoras probably count as humanoids, then.

Mirac Honorguard · 04-15-2006, 03:47 PM

Thats actually weird, according to lore, dremora's are made from daedra lord's blood.
In the dremora's case Lord Mehrunes Dagons blood [img]tongue.gif[/img]

So Im going for bug.

Seraph · 04-16-2006, 09:55 PM

Kyrvias is on the right track. The Dremora are NPC's not creatures and therefor require a black soul gem in order to capture their souls.

Kyrvias · 04-16-2006, 10:03 PM

I would bring up the argument that "Dremora could be captured in Morrowind" then shoot it down with the whole "But there were no black soul gems in morrowind, thus proving your point moot" theory, but I think I already explained that to all of you

04-06-2006, 06:34 AM	#1
The Merciful The Magister Join Date: March 5, 2002 Location: Funland Age: 48 Posts: 109	I don't get it. I tried to soul trap a high level dremora (or was it a xivilai?), had Azura's Star in my inventory, and I got a message saying I don't have a big enough soulstone for this soul. No soul captured. What gives? __________________ * Utterly Bastard Groovy *

04-06-2006, 06:43 AM	#2
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 59 Posts: 16,981	Perhaps your skill isn't high enough to trap a soul like that ? If i recall correctly there are several soultrap spells for sale, including one called "legendary soultrap". Which one did you use ? __________________

04-06-2006, 07:06 AM	#3
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	Trapping a soul does not depend on a skill. The only things that matter are: (1) Was the Soultrap spell active when the victim died? and (2) Do you have a sufficient soul gem? The message hints that the Soultrap has succeeded. I see only one possible reason of failure: the Azura's star was not epmpty when the dremora died. This can happen easily if the Soultrap has the area effect. You cast the spell on your victim, the spell succeeds - but more monters are trapped. Now, a "wrong" monster gets killed first and the star gets it. And so on. __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

04-06-2006, 07:24 AM	#4
The Merciful The Magister Join Date: March 5, 2002 Location: Funland Age: 48 Posts: 109	Did some quick testing. I can capture storm atronachts, which have great souls. I need to test some more with createres with grand souls. I've also read you can not capture humanoid souls unless you have a black soul gem, but surely dremora don't count as humanoid... __________________ * Utterly Bastard Groovy *

04-06-2006, 09:06 AM	#5
Sever Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 31, 2002 Location: Western Australia Age: 44 Posts: 3,293	Black soul gems? Sounds like there's fun to be had playing a nasty pasty sorceror! That's something i missed being able to do in Morrowind. __________________ Say say, oh playmate i cannot play with you my dolly's got the flu boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo

04-06-2006, 10:39 AM	#6
The Merciful The Magister Join Date: March 5, 2002 Location: Funland Age: 48 Posts: 109	Hmm... I can capture grand level ogre souls just fine, but when I went to Oblivion and tried take the soul of a dremora valkynaz, I didn't succeed. Azura's Star was empty. Either dremoras count as humanoids or it is some other bug. __________________ * Utterly Bastard Groovy *

04-06-2006, 11:46 AM	#7
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	Dremoras probably count as humanoids, then.

04-15-2006, 03:47 PM	#8
Mirac Honorguard Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 21, 2001 Location: Limburg, Netherlands, Europe Age: 43 Posts: 894	Thats actually weird, according to lore, dremora's are made from daedra lord's blood. In the dremora's case Lord Mehrunes Dagons blood [img]tongue.gif[/img] So Im going for bug. __________________ <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[worship]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/worship.gif\" /> TES IV : Oblivion<br /> <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[worship]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/worship.gif\" /> Vanguard : Saga of Heroes

04-16-2006, 09:55 PM	#9
Seraph Quintesson Join Date: September 12, 2001 Location: Ewing, NJ Age: 43 Posts: 1,079	Kyrvias is on the right track. The Dremora are NPC's not creatures and therefor require a black soul gem in order to capture their souls.

04-16-2006, 10:03 PM	#10
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	I would bring up the argument that "Dremora could be captured in Morrowind" then shoot it down with the whole "But there were no black soul gems in morrowind, thus proving your point moot" theory, but I think I already explained that to all of you

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