About backstabbing

Eledenil · 01-30-2002, 04:31 PM

Just one small doubt I have: can a thief backstab with any sword-class weapon, or only with daggers and short swords? I thought it was the latter in BG1 , and I've never been able to backstab with anything else.

Dreamer128 · 01-30-2002, 04:34 PM

I thinks its dagger, short sword, long sword, Katana, staff and club.

Helspanth · 01-30-2002, 05:18 PM

I confirm that backstab can be done with the afore mentioned blades.
I have my doubts about the blunt weapons however.

Auraleus · 01-30-2002, 08:13 PM

You can backstab someone with a quarterstaff... you just have to push really REALLY hard

[ 01-30-2002: Message edited by: Auraleus ]

Sir Michael · 01-30-2002, 08:23 PM

I thought according to official D&D rules you could backstab with any legal thief weapon. Even though it's called backstab, the whole idea is that by having a good knowledge of an opponent's anatomy, a thief can pick the most vulnerable spot where they are unaware and so could act to avoid all or part of the strike (hence the "back" part), and do a lot more damage potentially than a normal blow. Why not use a club or staff? It seems like you could easily kill someone by whacking them really hard in just the right spot.

Morgan_Corbesant · 01-30-2002, 08:35 PM

you can backstab with ANY thief weapon, except for missle weapons.

Daniel · 01-30-2002, 08:59 PM

So you can back stab with any thief weapons?? So what would happen if you used the High level ability use any item(Throne Of Bhaal) could you back stab with say a two handed sword.

Imagine back stabing with carsomyr with an assasin (Max x7 damage multiplier) Think of the possible Damage!!!!!!!!!!!

Deathcow · 01-30-2002, 09:42 PM

i know it says somewhere that you can't backstab with 2 handed weapons

but backstabbing with any weapon you can put points into sounds right...excluding ranged weapons, of course

PeeWee · 01-30-2002, 09:45 PM

Ayup, from what I've read, you could. Just make sure your rogue is proficient with the weapon or else he would get a -3 penalty for using it(core).

There are some pretty nice blunt weapons out there as I'm seeing while in chapter two. Would only try using them for that " cool effect" though. Try having a fighter not being proficient for something like a club and then use it offhand when ya dont have points for two weapon style. Talk about a BIG penalty. -2 for weapon and -8 for offhanding it.

Oh and if you couldn't backstab with anything else it may mean you are sufferinng from the -3 penalty from not having a proficiency point in that weapon skill as said above. You add that in with the "randomness" of the backstab going off and it would seem that you couldn't. Cloaking up and being behind the enemy never hurts but it still doesn't guarantee anything.

Servii · 01-31-2002, 04:55 AM

Yoy can backstab ONLY with 1-handed weapon! And even worst: only with "valid" 1-handed weapons. You can't backstab with Cortala's Blade, Kachicko's Wakizasi etc. even with * and "Use any items". Imagine backstab with "Impaler"(Spear 1d6+3+10 additional damage)

01-30-2002, 05:18 PM	#3
Helspanth Quintesson Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Thessaloniki,Hellas Age: 44 Posts: 1,050	I confirm that backstab can be done with the afore mentioned blades. I have my doubts about the blunt weapons however. __________________ \"Sorrow is the future tense of love\"

01-30-2002, 08:13 PM	#4
Auraleus Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 27, 2002 Location: usa Posts: 41	You can backstab someone with a quarterstaff... you just have to push really REALLY hard [ 01-30-2002: Message edited by: Auraleus ] __________________ \"Bang.\"<br />Spike - Cowboy Bebop

01-30-2002, 08:23 PM	#5
Sir Michael Manshoon Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 58 Posts: 202	I thought according to official D&D rules you could backstab with any legal thief weapon. Even though it's called backstab, the whole idea is that by having a good knowledge of an opponent's anatomy, a thief can pick the most vulnerable spot where they are unaware and so could act to avoid all or part of the strike (hence the "back" part), and do a lot more damage potentially than a normal blow. Why not use a club or staff? It seems like you could easily kill someone by whacking them really hard in just the right spot. __________________ \"You see things; and you say \'Why?\' But I dream things that never were; and I say \'Why not?\'\"<br />-George Bernard Shaw<br /><br />\"Men take only their needs into consideration never their abilities.\"<br />-Napoleon Bonaparte

01-30-2002, 08:35 PM	#6
Morgan_Corbesant Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 19, 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 47 Posts: 1,224	you can backstab with ANY thief weapon, except for missle weapons. __________________ Morgan Corbesant, Elven BladeSinger, Captain of the army of the Seldarine<br /><br /> [img]\"http://www.rleeermey.com/images/linkbanners/usmcredwhiteblue.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Protector of Elves<br />Slayer of Orcs<br /><br />ALL YOUR BASE, ARE BELONG TO US!!!<br />I DON\'T FIGHT FOR HONOR, I FIGHT TO WIN!<br />\"One who is a samurai must before all things keep constantly in mind, by day and by night...the fact that he has to die\". <br />-Daidoji Yuzan-<br />16th Century

01-30-2002, 09:45 PM	#9
PeeWee Manshoon Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 216	Ayup, from what I've read, you could. Just make sure your rogue is proficient with the weapon or else he would get a -3 penalty for using it(core). There are some pretty nice blunt weapons out there as I'm seeing while in chapter two. Would only try using them for that " cool effect" though. Try having a fighter not being proficient for something like a club and then use it offhand when ya dont have points for two weapon style. Talk about a BIG penalty. -2 for weapon and -8 for offhanding it. Oh and if you couldn't backstab with anything else it may mean you are sufferinng from the -3 penalty from not having a proficiency point in that weapon skill as said above. You add that in with the "randomness" of the backstab going off and it would seem that you couldn't. Cloaking up and being behind the enemy never hurts but it still doesn't guarantee anything. __________________ <i>just,</i><p><b>PeeWee</b><br />

01-30-2002, 04:31 PM	#1
Eledenil Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 26, 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 20	Just one small doubt I have: can a thief backstab with any sword-class weapon, or only with daggers and short swords? I thought it was the latter in BG1 , and I've never been able to backstab with anything else.

01-30-2002, 04:34 PM	#2
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 40 Posts: 6,136	I thinks its dagger, short sword, long sword, Katana, staff and club.

01-30-2002, 08:59 PM	#7
Daniel Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: England Age: 42 Posts: 1,203	So you can back stab with any thief weapons?? So what would happen if you used the High level ability use any item(Throne Of Bhaal) could you back stab with say a two handed sword. Imagine back stabing with carsomyr with an assasin (Max x7 damage multiplier) Think of the possible Damage!!!!!!!!!!!

01-30-2002, 09:42 PM	#8
Deathcow Elminster Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 41 Posts: 467	i know it says somewhere that you can't backstab with 2 handed weapons but backstabbing with any weapon you can put points into sounds right...excluding ranged weapons, of course

01-31-2002, 04:55 AM	#10
Servii Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 6, 2002 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 28	Yoy can backstab ONLY with 1-handed weapon! And even worst: only with "valid" 1-handed weapons. You can't backstab with Cortala's Blade, Kachicko's Wakizasi etc. even with * and "Use any items". Imagine backstab with "Impaler"(Spear 1d6+3+10 additional damage)

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