two questions

Kazilan · 10-05-2005, 12:48 AM

Hey everybody, I've got two questions regarding my current game. I'm playing a chaotic evil swashbuckler with Viconia and Edwin (because I want a romance and need the mage support to win battles) and I'm currently doing the valygar quest with him in my party. First question: Is there any way to make valygar a fallen ranger, or otherwise corrupt him just a little bit? Roleplaying-wise I can't keep him in my party after I finish his quest but I've found him to be a great addition. I know korgan is evil but I just can't stand him.

Second question: Are there any merchants that don't charge super high prices when your reputation is low? Such as the illicit merchants in the shadow thieves hall or any of the smugglers? It seems to me that they wouldn't mind dealing with someone who has a nefarious reputation.

As a side note I'm finding that playing evil is much more satisfying than playing a good character - does this say something bad about me?

[ 10-05-2005, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Kazilan ]

Cam_H · 10-05-2005, 03:09 AM

lol! You didn't let that ogre try and fool you into believing that it was a wingless elf did you? It surely deserved death for trying to pull such an obvious trick.

My understanding regarding fallen Paladins and Rangers is that it affects the PC, not your NPC party members (happy to be corrected, but I'm fairly confident that's the case). The Ease of Use mod includes a component; "NPCs Won't Fight Each Other, Leave" which will keep Valygar in an evil-oriented group with a low reputation. It's not particularly good role-play, but it's your game, so do as you please.
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On low reputation prices, the Ease of Use mod now has the "Low Reputation Store Discount" component that will give you an 'intimidation factor' in addition to a 'popularity factor' - so the further away from 'average' your reputation gets, the lower the prices.

Please note that while I've highlighted two components of Ease of Use, I'm not advocating installing all of its components, as some i.m.h.o. are game unbalancing (while others I find quite handy).

Zarr · 10-06-2005, 03:01 PM

A Ranger or Paladin in your party can become fallen, it's just the same as your PC becoming a fallen Paladin/Ranger. Just lower your rep. I can't remember off hand what rep makes you fallen for a Ranger, but it's lower than the rep which makes a Paladin fall anyway.

Cam_H · 10-06-2005, 05:56 PM

It might be a game version or mod thing, but I've been unable to make a NPC party member 'fallen' due to a low reputation - they sure will complain though. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

SixOfSpades · 10-07-2005, 01:36 AM

No matter what version you're running or mods you have installed, only the PC can Fall. Other Paladins and Rangers you recruit into the party will complain, leave the party, and/or outright attack you if your Reputation (or Virtue) falls too low, but they will never Fall. Neither will Ranger/Clerics, I might add.

Annatar · 10-09-2005, 12:01 PM

I know a certain paladin that can get a ''fallen'' status when he disobeys his believe..

So are you sure SoS?

SixOfSpades · 10-09-2005, 12:29 PM

98% sure. I suppose it's possible that BioWare put in some flag to make Keldorn Fall at a certain event, but given that I once made him kill his own family AND most of the Radiant Heart, after which he still had not Fallen, I strongly doubt it.

Annatar · 10-09-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
98% sure. I suppose it's possible that BioWare put in some flag to make Keldorn Fall at a certain event, but given that I once made him kill his own family AND most of the Radiant Heart, after which he still had not Fallen, I strongly doubt it.

AFAIK it was quest related.. maybe i'm wrong, like I stated in an other topic, haven't touched BG 2 in over 2 years.. i might be mistaken

Andyr · 10-09-2005, 05:16 PM

Six is correct that only the PC will Fall as a result of reputation.

10-05-2005, 12:48 AM	#1
Kazilan Elminster Join Date: October 31, 2003 Location: USA Age: 43 Posts: 485	Hey everybody, I've got two questions regarding my current game. I'm playing a chaotic evil swashbuckler with Viconia and Edwin (because I want a romance and need the mage support to win battles) and I'm currently doing the valygar quest with him in my party. First question: Is there any way to make valygar a fallen ranger, or otherwise corrupt him just a little bit? Roleplaying-wise I can't keep him in my party after I finish his quest but I've found him to be a great addition. I know korgan is evil but I just can't stand him. Second question: Are there any merchants that don't charge super high prices when your reputation is low? Such as the illicit merchants in the shadow thieves hall or any of the smugglers? It seems to me that they wouldn't mind dealing with someone who has a nefarious reputation. As a side note I'm finding that playing evil is much more satisfying than playing a good character - does this say something bad about me? [ 10-05-2005, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Kazilan ] __________________ Welcome to the Federation Starship SS Buttcrack! - John Crichton

10-06-2005, 03:01 PM	#3
Zarr Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 19, 2002 Location: Northern Ireland Age: 41 Posts: 1,330	A Ranger or Paladin in your party can become fallen, it's just the same as your PC becoming a fallen Paladin/Ranger. Just lower your rep. I can't remember off hand what rep makes you fallen for a Ranger, but it's lower than the rep which makes a Paladin fall anyway. __________________ Minsc - \"Don\'t ask questions better left to aged sages\"<br /><br />\"You must gather your party before venturing forth\". BANG shoots him dead

10-07-2005, 01:36 AM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	No matter what version you're running or mods you have installed, only the PC can Fall. Other Paladins and Rangers you recruit into the party will complain, leave the party, and/or outright attack you if your Reputation (or Virtue) falls too low, but they will never Fall. Neither will Ranger/Clerics, I might add. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

10-09-2005, 12:01 PM	#6
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	I know a certain paladin that can get a ''fallen'' status when he disobeys his believe.. So are you sure SoS? __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

10-09-2005, 05:16 PM	#9
Andyr Manshoon Join Date: September 29, 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 41 Posts: 153	Six is correct that only the PC will Fall as a result of reputation. __________________ [url]\"http://www.gibberlings3.net/\" target=\"_blank\">\"We are the Gibberlings Three, as merry a band as you ever did see...\"</a> - G3: Home of IE mods<br /><br />[url]\"http://forums.gibberlings3.net\" target=\"_blank\">Forums</a><br /><br /><i>JCompton:</i> Suggested plugs include \"Click here so Compton doesn\'t ban me. [url]\"http://www.pocketplane.net/ub\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.pocketplane.net/ub</a> \"

10-05-2005, 03:09 AM	#2
Cam_H Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 12, 2005 Location: Australia, if you must know. Age: 59 Posts: 320	lol! You didn't let that ogre try and fool you into believing that it was a wingless elf did you? It surely deserved death for trying to pull such an obvious trick. My understanding regarding fallen Paladins and Rangers is that it affects the PC, not your NPC party members (happy to be corrected, but I'm fairly confident that's the case). The Ease of Use mod includes a component; "NPCs Won't Fight Each Other, Leave" which will keep Valygar in an evil-oriented group with a low reputation. It's not particularly good role-play, but it's your game, so do as you please. [img]smile.gif[/img] On low reputation prices, the Ease of Use mod now has the "Low Reputation Store Discount" component that will give you an 'intimidation factor' in addition to a 'popularity factor' - so the further away from 'average' your reputation gets, the lower the prices. Please note that while I've highlighted two components of Ease of Use, I'm not advocating installing all of its components, as some i.m.h.o. are game unbalancing (while others I find quite handy).

10-06-2005, 05:56 PM	#4
Cam_H Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 12, 2005 Location: Australia, if you must know. Age: 59 Posts: 320	It might be a game version or mod thing, but I've been unable to make a NPC party member 'fallen' due to a low reputation - they sure will complain though. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

10-09-2005, 12:29 PM	#7
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	98% sure. I suppose it's possible that BioWare put in some flag to make Keldorn Fall at a certain event, but given that I once made him kill his own family AND most of the Radiant Heart, after which he still had not Fallen, I strongly doubt it.

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