Paladins and the main quest : spoilers

Khalen · 02-08-2004, 01:34 PM

First of all: Hello everybody.

Second,

I'm replaying BGII at this instant, played a long time ago when Throne of Bhaal did not see the light yet. I am planning to replay it now and continue with the expansion afterwards. I'm doing it at core difficulty, single player, no mods. My main character is a cavalier. I freed the slaves and cleared d'Arnise Keep and I'm back in town. Currently my party exists of me, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie, Nalia and Anomen.

The question I have is a RP-consistency one. I'm planning to play the game from the perspective of my Paladin, to do good and such. At this point I'm invited to visit the graveyard and I'm invited back to Gaelan who's going to sweeten the deal.

As a champion of all that is good and righteous it is a choice of lesser evils. I mean, I NEED to rescue Imoen but dealing with Gaelan, some clues already pointed to me that the group that he links to are either the shadow thieves itself or a connected group, is not what one would call the right way. On the other hand, going to a graveyard at nighttime dealing with evil creatures(as a paladin.. I know) is not all that either.

I'm not sure how far to go on "the end justifies the means", because I can only go so low. So at this point of the game, I'm wondering which seems the lesser of the two evils. I'm open to suggestions..

Gangrell · 02-08-2004, 03:20 PM

First of all, Welcome to IW Khalen [img]graemlins/drinkup.gif[/img]

Well, it really shows itself what is the lesser of the two evils. Do you want to side with thieves or the evil spawn of the night?

I'm sure you'll figure it out

Nerull · 02-08-2004, 03:50 PM

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Unfortunately, that is the way the game is written. You don't have a third choice. Happens that way in life sometimes, and you just have to do the best you can. And the thing is, if you use Detect Evil, both sides light up like Christmas Trees. But, if you've travelled around at night, you've seen the true nature of the "graveyard gang". While a paladin might side with thieves under extraordinary circumstances (like this one), you would almost certainly not side with the other guys. Just make the best of the situation that is handed you.

Khalen · 02-08-2004, 03:56 PM

Thank you for the greetings (and waves)

Yes, sad to see I have to side with the thieves. The most important factor of my unwillingness to side with them is the fact that I remember (it has been a long time ago) that there were a few assasinations required and as a paladin I cannot compromise there. I'm not sure if I remember it correct but I'm gonna look if there are alternative ways to fix that.

Thanks for the help...

Link · 02-08-2004, 04:28 PM

Welcome to the board, Khalen! Genoeg Nederlanders hier!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

As for your question, no worries about trying to roleplay and complete your ultimate goal to free Imoen. As a paladin you are just trying to do what is right, and there is no other way to get to Imoen is there? And the most right thing would obviously be siding with the Shadow Thieves, how uninviting this may seem.

There's also plenty of opportunity to satisfy or purify your paladin soul

Nerull · 02-08-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Khalen:
The most important factor of my unwillingness to side with them is the fact that I remember (it has been a long time ago) that there were a few assasinations required and as a paladin I cannot compromise there.

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Actually, there are two quests involving the thieves, and that is the other one. That other one, if you are a paladin, you shouldn't be doing anyway, since it is entirely voluntary whether to do it or not.

LennonCook · 02-09-2004, 01:44 AM

Nerull, when working for the thieves, you get three set quests - no choices. Working for Bodhi, however, you get a choice in the second task, do one thing or the other.

ZFR · 02-09-2004, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LennonCook:
Nerull, when working for the thieves, you get three set quests - no choices.

Nerull meant that there are two quests.
1 (cconsisting of three 'quests') you do for A.... and
2 you do for R.... (which is optional)

Armen · 02-09-2004, 04:21 AM

welcome to Ironworks [img]smile.gif[/img]

you definitely want to go with the thieves - there's a reasonable tradition in the fantasy literature of the almost-noble, political thieves - i'm sure your paladin motives are crying out against them but as you rise higher in the order you will probably come to realise that the lawful nature of the thieves guild is far pereferable to anarchy - and they can be useful to the strong ruler

also 'working for the thieves' means two different things in BG2 - the unavoidable plot-related one and the avoidable thieves stronghold one (all the slightly dodgy jobs are in the latter)

karlosovic · 02-09-2004, 08:10 AM

besides... most of the time, when someone asks you to kill someone, that person had it coming anyway. Call it 'killing 2 birds with one stone'

02-08-2004, 03:50 PM	#3
Nerull Lord Ao Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 54 Posts: 2,069	[img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] WELCOME TO IRONWORKS [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] Unfortunately, that is the way the game is written. You don't have a third choice. Happens that way in life sometimes, and you just have to do the best you can. And the thing is, if you use Detect Evil, both sides light up like Christmas Trees. But, if you've travelled around at night, you've seen the true nature of the "graveyard gang". While a paladin might side with thieves under extraordinary circumstances (like this one), you would almost certainly not side with the other guys. Just make the best of the situation that is handed you. __________________ [img]\"ubb/noncgi/smiles/new/ghoul.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br />\"The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work.<br />The lower class exists just to scare the middle class.\"<br />-George Carlin

02-09-2004, 08:10 AM	#10
karlosovic Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 1, 2002 Location: Newcastle, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 636	besides... most of the time, when someone asks you to kill someone, that person had it coming anyway. Call it 'killing 2 birds with one stone' __________________ Sunglasses of Coolness +2<br /><br />Cernd: \"It is with great pride and pleasure that I accept this Most Valuable Player award....\"<br />(from the genius of Six of Spades)

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02-08-2004, 01:34 PM	#1
Khalen Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 1, 2004 Location: Holland Age: 41 Posts: 10	First of all: Hello everybody. Second, I'm replaying BGII at this instant, played a long time ago when Throne of Bhaal did not see the light yet. I am planning to replay it now and continue with the expansion afterwards. I'm doing it at core difficulty, single player, no mods. My main character is a cavalier. I freed the slaves and cleared d'Arnise Keep and I'm back in town. Currently my party exists of me, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie, Nalia and Anomen. The question I have is a RP-consistency one. I'm planning to play the game from the perspective of my Paladin, to do good and such. At this point I'm invited to visit the graveyard and I'm invited back to Gaelan who's going to sweeten the deal. As a champion of all that is good and righteous it is a choice of lesser evils. I mean, I NEED to rescue Imoen but dealing with Gaelan, some clues already pointed to me that the group that he links to are either the shadow thieves itself or a connected group, is not what one would call the right way. On the other hand, going to a graveyard at nighttime dealing with evil creatures(as a paladin.. I know) is not all that either. I'm not sure how far to go on "the end justifies the means", because I can only go so low. So at this point of the game, I'm wondering which seems the lesser of the two evils. I'm open to suggestions..

02-08-2004, 03:20 PM	#2
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	First of all, Welcome to IW Khalen [img]graemlins/drinkup.gif[/img] Well, it really shows itself what is the lesser of the two evils. Do you want to side with thieves or the evil spawn of the night? I'm sure you'll figure it out

02-08-2004, 03:56 PM	#4
Khalen Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 1, 2004 Location: Holland Age: 41 Posts: 10	Thank you for the greetings (and waves) Yes, sad to see I have to side with the thieves. The most important factor of my unwillingness to side with them is the fact that I remember (it has been a long time ago) that there were a few assasinations required and as a paladin I cannot compromise there. I'm not sure if I remember it correct but I'm gonna look if there are alternative ways to fix that. Thanks for the help...

02-08-2004, 04:28 PM	#5
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 5,888	Welcome to the board, Khalen! Genoeg Nederlanders hier!! [img]smile.gif[/img] As for your question, no worries about trying to roleplay and complete your ultimate goal to free Imoen. As a paladin you are just trying to do what is right, and there is no other way to get to Imoen is there? And the most right thing would obviously be siding with the Shadow Thieves, how uninviting this may seem. There's also plenty of opportunity to satisfy or purify your paladin soul

02-09-2004, 01:44 AM	#7
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 38 Posts: 5,452	Nerull, when working for the thieves, you get three set quests - no choices. Working for Bodhi, however, you get a choice in the second task, do one thing or the other.

02-09-2004, 04:21 AM	#9
Armen Symbol of Cyric Join Date: February 11, 2003 Location: UK Age: 55 Posts: 1,375	welcome to Ironworks [img]smile.gif[/img] you definitely want to go with the thieves - there's a reasonable tradition in the fantasy literature of the almost-noble, political thieves - i'm sure your paladin motives are crying out against them but as you rise higher in the order you will probably come to realise that the lawful nature of the thieves guild is far pereferable to anarchy - and they can be useful to the strong ruler also 'working for the thieves' means two different things in BG2 - the unavoidable plot-related one and the avoidable thieves stronghold one (all the slightly dodgy jobs are in the latter)

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