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Originally Posted by John D Harris
You're right Robert everybody has an agenda, the problem is most people don't have the testosterone producing grand to admit they had a agenda.... QUOTE]
So out of curiosity JD what is your agenda here?
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Finding out the truth, the real turth, not the ole your truth, my truth stuff, but THE truth. If we humans really are causing damage then you're damn right I want to stop it... only a fool pisses in his kitchen. But if we aren't really damaging the Earth then I sure as Hale don't want to add assininely foolish unnecissary reglations and restrictions on to the back of people. In my lifetime I can't tell you how many different things have been pushed and said to hurt us then later they are said to not hurt us, then said to hurt us, then said not to hurt us again. If man 's CO2 emmitions aren't causing any warming, then it is foolish to add regulations, and laws for the Purpose of limiting CO2 emmitions. Laws that will for instance cause the price of Coal generated electricity to go up in cost. If we want to add laws and regulations on Coal burning electric plants because we don't want black smoke covering our houses, fields, poluting the ground water GREAT! Go for it but don't give me this man is causing global warming stuff. I'm nearly 50 years old I remember the start of the enviromentalist movement, the TV with Chief what's his name and the tear rolling down his cheek.
IIRC the amount of energy mostly in heat that falls on the Earth every year is many times more than the energy man has made/used/created in our entire history... it doesn't matter weither you believe we were created or crawled from the oose. Thats doesn't come from an eviromentalist/non eviromentalist but from the guys who do nothing but study stars and how they work. They got no dog in the fight.
The way this Universe works is that Astronomy, physics, geology, eviromentalism and every ology or ism works together and has effects on each other. One can't take just one of them into account and ignor what the other disiciplines know and say. Hale history shows that it was much warmer during Roman time then now. We have writen records of wine being produce in Britain and it was said to be better then anything the Gaul's (France) made. We have records of the Vikings living in Greenland, and living in North America. But we look at those two places and say Ahhh well they just called greenland greenland to get colonist to come they lied.... Why? because we are looking at Greenland NOW and it sure as Hale ain't green.... Even though we have records that they raised sheep. Now unless the vikings had some way of raising sheep without them eating anything.... there had to be grass or at least something they could eat. They couldn't carry enough hay back and forworth to keep a colony around. And Vineland... geese loueess we have the settlements in Nova Scotia, but we say OH that can't be vineland or they lied (again) because it's to cold for grapes to grow that far north.... Now it would be much more logical to say There were grapes in Nova Soctia at the time because it was warmer then. Especialy since we have writen records, icecores, and all kinds of other evidence that show there was a Little Ice age starting sometime after the Vikings 1150 to 1350 (there is some dispute on the exact start) and ending in the 1850's.
When the body of all the evidence gathered from all disicplines shows that we are in a natural warming cycle that comes after the natural cooling cycle.... you tell me which is more logical man is causing the warming or it is natural? Evidence from Ice core show that there has always been a continuation of the rising of CO2 levels AFTER a cooling period has started. It also shows that warming proceeds any elevation in CO2 Levels. Right now the evidence shows that the cause is Natural cycles, the effect is raising or lowering of CO2 Levels. Not the otherway around. (if Co2 levels are the cause then the temp can't be lowered until AFTER CO2 level lower SEE runaway greenhouse theory) History shows runaway greenhouse to be a myth. Physics and Math show Elevated CO2 level causing warming to be junk science at best a flat out Lie at worst. Water Vapor is much much of a green house gas then CO2, we talking in orders of magitude not simple precentage. There is also in orders of magnitude more Water vapor present in the atmosphere then there is CO2. As it should be on a planet that's surface is 78% water. Ever wonder way in a desert the temp drops a Hale of a lot at night when the Sun isn't warming it? CAUSE THERE"S LITTLE TO NO WATER VAPOR IN A DESERT!!!! That's why it's called a desert. There is still the same amount of CO2, but it ain't causing it to warm up the Sun is, and it Ain't causing it to Stay warm after the Sun goes down.
My agenda is the Truth, show me the
FACTS that refute any of what I have writen. facts not feelings, not "if we are wrongs", not "what if's" but the facts. Hale's bells if I'm wrong I'll switch so fast, and become the greatest Man caused Globalwarming advocate on this board, attack the falsehood man doesn't cause it with the same ferver that I now attack man cause's it. I ain't married to Man doesn't cause it, I AM married to the Truth though.