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Dundee Slaytern · 11-05-2001, 04:42 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Kaleban:
If you're looking at high-level advancement, then as a Sorcerer it makes no sense to have Contingency or either of the Sequencers. Wait until you can get Spell Trigger and Chain Contingency, since you can only have 1 of each active at any time.

You can have one Minor Spell Sequencer, one Spell Sequencer, one Spell Trigger, one Contingency and one Chain Contingency, all active at the same time. You just cannot have two of the same type( no 2 Spell Triggers).

I still say don't pick Identify. Get Chromatic Orb, and once you reach level 12, it does unsaveable acid damage, which can replace Melf's as your Troll killer entirely.

Hmmmm, might be worth it, I think I will agree with this.

Oh yeah, I was looking at the anti-mage spells, does it make sense to get Spellstrike when you have Khelben's AND Ruby Ray? There are only two protection spells of 9th level, Absolute Immunity and Spell Trap. Ruby Ray works on spell trap, Absolute Immunity lasts only four rounds and won't matter much to a solo Sorcerer, and Khelben's Warding Whip takes care of everything else! So really, the only spells you will need to defeat buffing or attack spellcasters number 3 in total: Breach, Khelben's, and Ruby Ray.

Strange as it may sound, I do not use Khelben's Warding Whip( KWW) to remove spells, I use it to disrupt the target's spellcasting. I use Ruby Ray of Reversals to remove Spell Traps and Spellstrike for everything else, especially Spell Turning, a level 7 spell protection which KWW will not remove.

quote:
Originally posted by Mitro Jellywadder:
After 12th level it turns from a phase spider to a sword spider. A lot faster but still pretty
ineffective. Try polymorph other, unless you don't have many summoning spells. You might need the spiders for distractions.

I will be using the Spider Spawn + Web combo in fights against swarms of low-middle class enemies. Obviously they make a poor summon against things like *cough*Demogorgan*cough* but believe it or not, they can hold their own very well against tough creatures like Umber Hulks, the key to their effectiveness is the spell Web.

I'd change your identify to protection from evil,
instead of chromatic orb. More useful in my opinion.

Staff of Magi gives Protection from Evil already, making the need to have this spell redundant.

quote:
Originally posted by Barloc:
Cone of Cold destroys loot?

Yes, to understand why, imagine a sword dipped in Liquid Nitrogen, imagine that same sword dropped to the floor. That is what happens to your loot more or less, only gold and quest-related items will survive.

quote:
Originally posted by Tim Tam:
Level 1: I agree with all
Level 2: Same
Level 3: We really do think alike

Heh, heh.

Level 4: I find spiders arent strong enough summons, and Emotion has no save modifiers even though its nice when it works. I prefer Wizard Eye to help guide my Projected Image, and Secret Word to avoid wasting higher level spells removing enemy Spell Shields and Immunities.

Globe of Invulnerability renders Secret Word useless, and if you are going to use a higher counter-spell anyway to remove the GoI, it defeats the purpose of having Secret Word.

I was thinking long-term, and this includes having the Staff of Magi which grants Improved Invisibility, thus negating the need for Wizard Eye.

Emotion is very very potent, especially when combined with Greater Malison( think Spell Sequencers). I was still using this spell towards the end of ToB.

Level 5: I rarely need a Sunfire when I can position myself quite easily to use a Skull Trap instead, so I chose Chaos for the large groups of critters Id rather have fighting each other while Im re-equipping the Staff of Magi and laughing. Id rather use Finger of Death than a Feeblemind so I chose to put Breach in to help out my summons just in case.

I was thinking something similiar, I am invisible( Staff of Magi), and I walk into the middle of a group of unsuspecting victims, I cast Spell Trigger( 3 Sunfires) and toast them. Skull Trap can hurt you, Sunfire does not.

Finger of Death is a great spell, I agree, but I like to have Feeblemind too, because so long as the target fails his saving throw, he is deadmeat.

You only tend to use Breach against Mages, and I have the ultimate Mage killer already, Skeleton Warriors( 95% Magic Resistance), I can afford to wait for the spell protections to run out.

Level 6: With Chain Contingency later on normal Contingency is a waste, especially if Im not getting Dispel Magic, so Ill grab Chain Lightning to have a damage spell at this level.

In all my games, I have used both Contingency and Chain Contingency. I use my Contingency as a protection backup( Mislead when helpless, Protection from Magical Weapons when enemy sighted, etc...), and my Chain Contingency as an offensive spell( 3 Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting).

Level 7: Same, but I get Project Image first, nothing like free spells and item charge usage.

Worth considering.

Level 8: I have no need for Spell Trigger when I have Sequencer, I havent any level 5 or 6 spell picks that I want to cast together, cept lower resistance and chain lightning but I can live without fast casting them until I get Improved Alacrity. I took Pierce Shield to have another level of spell remover/resistance lowering seeing as I wont be getting spellstrike. I take Powerword Blind over Symbol Stun, smaller radius but it works similarly without saves or affecting my summons or myself. Simulacrum is another I chose, great to have another caster on a moments notice who may not have as high level spells as you, but can use your items without depleting charges.

It is not about casting time, it is about having more spells to hurl at your opponents. With Spell Trigger, you have 3 more spells, leaving your spell levels alone.

I am using Symbol Stun as a trap, Thieves lay traps at spawning spots? I lay Symbols galore and Webs to boot, then sic the Spiders and Magic Resistant Skeleton Warriors on them when the enemy spawn.

BwerWahHAHAHAHA!!!!

*cough* *cough*... excuse me.

Project Image is enough for me to forgo Simulacrum.

I do not use wands or Staff of Fire.

Level 9: Apart from Time Stop I can do without any, but Ill take Chain Contingency. I find Wish only gives you the good stuff 1 in 4 times and I hate it, Ill make do with spell trap from staff and simulacrums/PI. I have plenty of spell removers so spellstrike is unneccesary, even though it is great to do it all at once just not at the expense of an extra Time Stop. My 2 other spell picks for this level are Imprisonment and Freedom. Tough enemy? Imprison him, then rest, set up some defense or skull traps and cast freedom.

Remember that you cannot rest during the last battle in ToB, Wish is a must if you want to solo with a Sorcerer and complete the game.

Freedom?? I rather buy the scrolls instead, and they are cheap to boot, besides... why do you want to rescue those that you Imprisoned? If the target has loot you want, best is to not Imprison him in the first place. I only intend to use Imprisonment on one particular Demon Prince... and I will be using a scroll for that.

11-05-2001, 04:42 AM	#12
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	I am going to try to respond to everybody in one post. [img]smile.gif[/img] quote: Originally posted by Kaleban: If you're looking at high-level advancement, then as a Sorcerer it makes no sense to have Contingency or either of the Sequencers. Wait until you can get Spell Trigger and Chain Contingency, since you can only have 1 of each active at any time. You can have one Minor Spell Sequencer, one Spell Sequencer, one Spell Trigger, one Contingency and one Chain Contingency, all active at the same time. You just cannot have two of the same type( no 2 Spell Triggers). I still say don't pick Identify. Get Chromatic Orb, and once you reach level 12, it does unsaveable acid damage, which can replace Melf's as your Troll killer entirely. Hmmmm, might be worth it, I think I will agree with this. Oh yeah, I was looking at the anti-mage spells, does it make sense to get Spellstrike when you have Khelben's AND Ruby Ray? There are only two protection spells of 9th level, Absolute Immunity and Spell Trap. Ruby Ray works on spell trap, Absolute Immunity lasts only four rounds and won't matter much to a solo Sorcerer, and Khelben's Warding Whip takes care of everything else! So really, the only spells you will need to defeat buffing or attack spellcasters number 3 in total: Breach, Khelben's, and Ruby Ray. Strange as it may sound, I do not use Khelben's Warding Whip( KWW) to remove spells, I use it to disrupt the target's spellcasting. I use Ruby Ray of Reversals to remove Spell Traps and Spellstrike for everything else, especially Spell Turning, a level 7 spell protection which KWW will not remove. quote: Originally posted by Mitro Jellywadder: After 12th level it turns from a phase spider to a sword spider. A lot faster but still pretty ineffective. Try polymorph other, unless you don't have many summoning spells. You might need the spiders for distractions. I will be using the Spider Spawn + Web combo in fights against swarms of low-middle class enemies. Obviously they make a poor summon against things like coughDemogorgancough but believe it or not, they can hold their own very well against tough creatures like Umber Hulks, the key to their effectiveness is the spell Web. I'd change your identify to protection from evil, instead of chromatic orb. More useful in my opinion. Staff of Magi gives Protection from Evil already, making the need to have this spell redundant. quote: Originally posted by Barloc: Cone of Cold destroys loot? Yes, to understand why, imagine a sword dipped in Liquid Nitrogen, imagine that same sword dropped to the floor. That is what happens to your loot more or less, only gold and quest-related items will survive. quote: Originally posted by Tim Tam: Level 1: I agree with all Level 2: Same Level 3: We really do think alike Heh, heh. Level 4: I find spiders arent strong enough summons, and Emotion has no save modifiers even though its nice when it works. I prefer Wizard Eye to help guide my Projected Image, and Secret Word to avoid wasting higher level spells removing enemy Spell Shields and Immunities. Globe of Invulnerability renders Secret Word useless, and if you are going to use a higher counter-spell anyway to remove the GoI, it defeats the purpose of having Secret Word. I was thinking long-term, and this includes having the Staff of Magi which grants Improved Invisibility, thus negating the need for Wizard Eye. Emotion is very very potent, especially when combined with Greater Malison( think Spell Sequencers). I was still using this spell towards the end of ToB. Level 5: I rarely need a Sunfire when I can position myself quite easily to use a Skull Trap instead, so I chose Chaos for the large groups of critters Id rather have fighting each other while Im re-equipping the Staff of Magi and laughing. Id rather use Finger of Death than a Feeblemind so I chose to put Breach in to help out my summons just in case. I was thinking something similiar, I am invisible( Staff of Magi), and I walk into the middle of a group of unsuspecting victims, I cast Spell Trigger( 3 Sunfires) and toast them. Skull Trap can hurt you, Sunfire does not. Finger of Death is a great spell, I agree, but I like to have Feeblemind too, because so long as the target fails his saving throw, he is deadmeat. You only tend to use Breach against Mages, and I have the ultimate Mage killer already, Skeleton Warriors( 95% Magic Resistance), I can afford to wait for the spell protections to run out. Level 6: With Chain Contingency later on normal Contingency is a waste, especially if Im not getting Dispel Magic, so Ill grab Chain Lightning to have a damage spell at this level. In all my games, I have used both Contingency and Chain Contingency. I use my Contingency as a protection backup( Mislead when helpless, Protection from Magical Weapons when enemy sighted, etc...), and my Chain Contingency as an offensive spell( 3 Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting). Level 7: Same, but I get Project Image first, nothing like free spells and item charge usage. Worth considering. Level 8: I have no need for Spell Trigger when I have Sequencer, I havent any level 5 or 6 spell picks that I want to cast together, cept lower resistance and chain lightning but I can live without fast casting them until I get Improved Alacrity. I took Pierce Shield to have another level of spell remover/resistance lowering seeing as I wont be getting spellstrike. I take Powerword Blind over Symbol Stun, smaller radius but it works similarly without saves or affecting my summons or myself. Simulacrum is another I chose, great to have another caster on a moments notice who may not have as high level spells as you, but can use your items without depleting charges. It is not about casting time, it is about having more spells to hurl at your opponents. With Spell Trigger, you have 3 more spells, leaving your spell levels alone. I am using Symbol Stun as a trap, Thieves lay traps at spawning spots? I lay Symbols galore and Webs to boot, then sic the Spiders and Magic Resistant Skeleton Warriors on them when the enemy spawn. BwerWahHAHAHAHA!!!! cough cough... excuse me. Project Image is enough for me to forgo Simulacrum. I do not use wands or Staff of Fire. Level 9: Apart from Time Stop I can do without any, but Ill take Chain Contingency. I find Wish only gives you the good stuff 1 in 4 times and I hate it, Ill make do with spell trap from staff and simulacrums/PI. I have plenty of spell removers so spellstrike is unneccesary, even though it is great to do it all at once just not at the expense of an extra Time Stop. My 2 other spell picks for this level are Imprisonment and Freedom. Tough enemy? Imprison him, then rest, set up some defense or skull traps and cast freedom. Remember that you cannot rest during the last battle in ToB, Wish is a must if you want to solo with a Sorcerer and complete the game. Freedom?? I rather buy the scrolls instead, and they are cheap to boot, besides... why do you want to rescue those that you Imprisoned? If the target has loot you want, best is to not Imprison him in the first place. I only intend to use Imprisonment on one particular Demon Prince... and I will be using a scroll for that.