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Yes, Timber, I did read it, but it just seemed to me that it got lost in the discussion again. I suppose I should have just quoted the appropriate posts, but I guess I was just too lazy to reload page one. I think the same point was made by several people, including an extensive reply from Cerek, IIRC.
And, yes, I know it is hard getting people to think about things another way. Gawd, it took me several years after reading the likes of deToqueville, Bastiat, Jefferson, Mill, Paine, and the rest of that ilk to swing me into libertarian, and maybe even into market-capitalist territory. The arguments were there, and in retrospect they were obvious, but I refused to let go of my prejudices.
I could still be swayed, I suppose, but it would probably have to start with a refuation of Bastiat's Broken Window, which was the starting point for my change in worldview...
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