[Oblivion437]

I'm saying, what if we prove God wrong, can you still stand on your own 2 feet then? Which is my point, it's weak to not follow an adaptable set of rules, ones that pertain to themselves and a world that is constantly changing. Life doesn't have a 'real' meaning, only a perceived meaning. You could very well go ahead and murder some people, but God won't stop you, we will. And if God isn't there, we'll still find a proper way to deal with you. That is what our world is about, that is secular law. It's far from perfect as it stands, that is to say the specifics of legal code, but it still is the best we can do. Why exist for some promise of an absolute, when the guarantee is reality? A reality that you can't run from? There are those who have argued your point, and committed mass murder, and felt they got away with it as there was no absolute in their minds. If we did our best in bringing them to justice, then they HAVE been punished. The very nature of your arguement is exactly what allowed religion to get to power, stay in power, and strangle to still do so, in modern times.