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Harkoliar · 08-15-2001, 09:05 AM

haha i guess youve been preparing that speech for this thread Memnoch

time to get a little serious... lemme see

i whole heartedly agree to all of you that it is indeed better to have loved and lost... BUT to make it a little interesting.. (although i know that this will be losing side argument)... ill try to debate myself with "better to have not loved at all" thingie because i really would like to keep an open mind about this kind of topic.

first and foremost, all people desire for love. that is almost a fact, a thoery and the truth. i do not mean that love is only based sexually mind all of you. im sure all of you know that love is can come in different forms that is why priest,monks, children and other people (with not having sexual preferences based on love) have thier own kind of love. priest and monks have thier love on thier fellow man and woman, GOD and other stuff. single parents have thier own love with thier parents, children and friends. now, hermits and enuach (i think that is the word) love what they desire the most (although i think this borders on personality disorder why they are like that) i will not go into this one since i do not know exactly why hermits and enauch enter into this kind of profession (if its even one).

now im speaking about love, what is indeed love. some people explain that it is just chemistry and hormones that you will have the "need" to procreate, take care of your children and live till you drop. love is such a vague word for all of us. (im trying to look at this at a practical and scientifically point of view). ive just entered college and taking my first Philosophy class and this class have indeed shown me very interesting ideas. ideas that boggle your mind and make you grow insane just by thinking about it. to say that man needs to love is a lie. it is a choice whether man (woman) desires love. they say that no man is a island. that is true because man needs to have other people to survive. BUT that does not mean that he has to LOVE to survive. i do know that man is a social person. face it, you have to encounter at LEAST one person in your entire life in order for you to know that you are even human, to know that you are even born. (i dont want to hear the argument with jungle book as its base

). but that does not mean you LOVE him/her

now to go the phrase "better to have not loved at all" can be true for some people. some people have been hurt at past because of love (basing on sexual, soul-mate and friendship love not the parents or friends) and because of thier grief and depression, they have commited suicide. now shall i ask you people, is it better to have loved and be hurt?? well he/she will be hurt with love that im sure. but the sad fact is that some people cant handle these kinds of love and go bye bye forever. is it worth it, now i ask all of you?? thier funeral says thier hurt and grief, the rejection will then show blood. love is a dangerous thing for all people. it has many deceptions and many faces. true that you love someone with all your heart, but does that he/she loves you in return with the same intensity?

all of us know the sad truth that there is alot of divorces going around, the reason? alot of them will say, because i thought he/she loved me and now he/she left me, because i thought they cared for me and then you found out that he/she is a complete asshole that you cant stand it. because and because but its not the way he/she wanted will always expect. mind you that those kind of reasons are all interelated with one another with love. thier love is based on sex and once the sex play is over, what happens?? you think that the ultimate form of love is based on sex. WRONG!! that is what happens to people and that is why marriages drift apart because people THOUGHT they loved each other.

sure sure, you think that love is great, great feeling like a drug in which you are longing to have. try to find love, get suffering, try to get more love, more suffering. there are very few people who reach even the 3rd to 4th stage of love (out of the five stages of love in which the fifth one is the ultimate) in which i congratulate those people

. to say that love is the best a person can have is true ONLY if you are able to achieve it in the first place and who can truly understand the meaning of LOVE.

another thing is that love is a deception to those people who think they feel that they are loved. plain and simple, you can be used because of love, you can become a property because of love, you can be a piece of trash because of love. classic example? people who think that they are in love will do anything to get the same attention from the other sex (or same sex if you wish to put in) right? those people will take advantage on you, take you money with false marriage, treat you like dirt because they know that they are using you for thier own personal goals. another example? poor guy, rich girl. guy marries girl (when the girl thinks that its really love) what happens? guy runs off with money and another girl, leaves a broken girl behind with children with no more or measly money. love indeed has many deceptions.

suffering happens because of love. our society is in shambles because of love. there is violence, homicide, revenge, orphans, homeless, the hopeless, the depressed, the insane, the suicidal..because of love. now i ask you all, "better to have not love at all" will it indeed change our society here today? to have not loved at all will have changed all of that and our soceity would not have all these kinds of suffering.

pant pant (aching fingers, with an achin head) i know that this is a little extreme and i know that there is going to be debate on what i have said.

but please critisize but dont hate it just because you dont want to believe and just hate my guts for posting this. i want a reason. i believe that keeping an open mind with everything and ive exhausted my main reason with supporting the latter part of the statement "better to have not loved at all". i do hope you people will at LEAST keep an open mind to what i have said. nighty night

(its night time here.. yawn, so dont expect an immediate reply pretty soon) and i really do believe that you do need love but i know people believe on that so i just want to keep an open mind to the latter part.

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08-15-2001, 09:05 AM	#5
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	haha i guess youve been preparing that speech for this thread Memnoch time to get a little serious... lemme see i whole heartedly agree to all of you that it is indeed better to have loved and lost... BUT to make it a little interesting.. (although i know that this will be losing side argument)... ill try to debate myself with "better to have not loved at all" thingie because i really would like to keep an open mind about this kind of topic. first and foremost, all people desire for love. that is almost a fact, a thoery and the truth. i do not mean that love is only based sexually mind all of you. im sure all of you know that love is can come in different forms that is why priest,monks, children and other people (with not having sexual preferences based on love) have thier own kind of love. priest and monks have thier love on thier fellow man and woman, GOD and other stuff. single parents have thier own love with thier parents, children and friends. now, hermits and enuach (i think that is the word) love what they desire the most (although i think this borders on personality disorder why they are like that) i will not go into this one since i do not know exactly why hermits and enauch enter into this kind of profession (if its even one). now im speaking about love, what is indeed love. some people explain that it is just chemistry and hormones that you will have the "need" to procreate, take care of your children and live till you drop. love is such a vague word for all of us. (im trying to look at this at a practical and scientifically point of view). ive just entered college and taking my first Philosophy class and this class have indeed shown me very interesting ideas. ideas that boggle your mind and make you grow insane just by thinking about it. to say that man needs to love is a lie. it is a choice whether man (woman) desires love. they say that no man is a island. that is true because man needs to have other people to survive. BUT that does not mean that he has to LOVE to survive. i do know that man is a social person. face it, you have to encounter at LEAST one person in your entire life in order for you to know that you are even human, to know that you are even born. (i dont want to hear the argument with jungle book as its base ). but that does not mean you LOVE him/her now to go the phrase "better to have not loved at all" can be true for some people. some people have been hurt at past because of love (basing on sexual, soul-mate and friendship love not the parents or friends) and because of thier grief and depression, they have commited suicide. now shall i ask you people, is it better to have loved and be hurt?? well he/she will be hurt with love that im sure. but the sad fact is that some people cant handle these kinds of love and go bye bye forever. is it worth it, now i ask all of you?? thier funeral says thier hurt and grief, the rejection will then show blood. love is a dangerous thing for all people. it has many deceptions and many faces. true that you love someone with all your heart, but does that he/she loves you in return with the same intensity? all of us know the sad truth that there is alot of divorces going around, the reason? alot of them will say, because i thought he/she loved me and now he/she left me, because i thought they cared for me and then you found out that he/she is a complete asshole that you cant stand it. because and because but its not the way he/she wanted will always expect. mind you that those kind of reasons are all interelated with one another with love. thier love is based on sex and once the sex play is over, what happens?? you think that the ultimate form of love is based on sex. WRONG!! that is what happens to people and that is why marriages drift apart because people THOUGHT they loved each other. sure sure, you think that love is great, great feeling like a drug in which you are longing to have. try to find love, get suffering, try to get more love, more suffering. there are very few people who reach even the 3rd to 4th stage of love (out of the five stages of love in which the fifth one is the ultimate) in which i congratulate those people . to say that love is the best a person can have is true ONLY if you are able to achieve it in the first place and who can truly understand the meaning of LOVE. another thing is that love is a deception to those people who think they feel that they are loved. plain and simple, you can be used because of love, you can become a property because of love, you can be a piece of trash because of love. classic example? people who think that they are in love will do anything to get the same attention from the other sex (or same sex if you wish to put in) right? those people will take advantage on you, take you money with false marriage, treat you like dirt because they know that they are using you for thier own personal goals. another example? poor guy, rich girl. guy marries girl (when the girl thinks that its really love) what happens? guy runs off with money and another girl, leaves a broken girl behind with children with no more or measly money. love indeed has many deceptions. suffering happens because of love. our society is in shambles because of love. there is violence, homicide, revenge, orphans, homeless, the hopeless, the depressed, the insane, the suicidal..because of love. now i ask you all, "better to have not love at all" will it indeed change our society here today? to have not loved at all will have changed all of that and our soceity would not have all these kinds of suffering. pant pant (aching fingers, with an achin head) i know that this is a little extreme and i know that there is going to be debate on what i have said. but please critisize but dont hate it just because you dont want to believe and just hate my guts for posting this. i want a reason. i believe that keeping an open mind with everything and ive exhausted my main reason with supporting the latter part of the statement "better to have not loved at all". i do hope you people will at LEAST keep an open mind to what i have said. nighty night (its night time here.. yawn, so dont expect an immediate reply pretty soon) and i really do believe that you do need love but i know people believe on that so i just want to keep an open mind to the latter part. ------------------ Revived I Am to hunt this world... Banish ye evil or face my wrath...