BTW - that is why "-" to save is bad and "+" to save is good.
If you get +4 on your saves vs. charm, and your save vs. spell is 13, a roll of 10 would get +4 and you would effectively get a 14, thus making the save.
If you save -2 vs. a spell, that is bad, because if u needed 13 and you rolled a 14, it would be 12 and you would fail your save.
When u read the wizard and cleric spells, ones that have "-" to save are more powerful, ones that have "+" to save are weaker - since you are on the offensive end of the field when you are the caster.
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