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Old 06-03-2003, 11:24 AM   #7
Yorick
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Originally posted by johnny:
About Europe being one nation, one people, etc..., you can forget about that. That will NEVER happen. I think the EU would fall apart first. One vote for Europe is not negotiable.
What do you mean "that will never happen? It is happeneing. You now have one currency, open borders not requiring passport checks (unlike 10 years ago) or even WORK VISAS for Euro citizens within Europe!! You have a European government and a close to having a single foreign policy if Chirac and Schroeder have their way. You also have the Euopean court that supercedes national high courts.

So which of these are not indicative of the move towards one country?

Are you a student of history Johnny? Have you perhaps heard of a thing called the GERMAN UNIFICATION? Saxony, Prussia, Bavaria, Silesia, Pommerania and Austria etc. all were pretty much totally independent states, albeit loosely tied under the political entity "Holy Roman Empire" (Hapsburg Empire) for a time. There were similar discussions about federational unity that have striking similarity to the European federation discussion. Austria continued to be a naysayer and ended up being left out. A situation Britain could end up facing. And/or Norway.

So when you say "that will never happen" make sure there are no precedents to contradict you.

I think it's a fair question to ask, "Why should one country have 12-16 votes in the United nations?"

[ 06-03-2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]
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