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Originally posted by MagiK: Basicly yes, no money no op. where is it written anywhere that any person is entitled to take soemone elses labor, skill or work without paying? Why should a fully grown adult expect someone else to pay his way? (this goes for me too by the way..I would never be able to afford a heart transplant) It is a sad fact of life that death happens...not everyone born is fit to survive. Yeah I know, it is a cruel and heartless coment but that doesnt make it less true. But magiK I understand where you are coming from but to apply this system to children who have not had a chance to contribute to society and by definition are being nurtured by society IE they accept free schooling which comes from taxes or should that not be provided too? where would you draw the line? and has a child did you have state education? If we accept education as being a fair and resonable tax expense why not health? at least until they are old enough to work? Why does the richest nation on earth, spend more time crying about paying tax, throws billions away to grease the palms of the rich, and yet cannot even provide universal health care for its own people? again, I ask...where is it written that one person is entitled to someone elses hard work, money or possessions? We complain about it because it is antithetical to the priciples that built the country....where each person was given free reign to succeed or fail on their own merrits without imposing artificial barriers of discrimination. (in theory any way) Note you have the right to fail too..not just succeed...there is no gaurenteed freedom to leech off society. if true why not start with the wasted billions given to the rich? I can see what you are saying, but in the end, you are talking moral and ethical debate here. Should the rich person help the poor? from a moral standpoint (with christian values applied cause they are all I have to work with) I sayy yes...but does he HAVE to? no. It should be his decision...not one forced on him by the government. And as it stands..the richest country in the world already donates more money to the care and feeding of people world wide and at home than any other nation by a large amount. I walked accross the boarder once into Tiajuana...there you will find the most miserable dregs of disabled and handicapped people any where ont he planet...you find these people in Mexico....you can't find a sight like that anywhere in the USA or from what I can see Canada....so obviously we aren't turning out poor out onto the streets.....Sam Kinneson had a really excellent treatise on the poor in the USA, compared to the Kurds [img]smile.gif[/img] was funny but made a point too. Well I hope I made my points clear enough....Im not against all charity and government aide..Im just against the idea of taking half or more of soemthing from someone and ju8st giving to someone who didnt earn it. Thank goodness America and Australia have such good lifestyles in general. We have come so far in a short time. using the currant tax systemI wish the world could catch us up But it does not mean we can not do even better [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]