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Originally posted by Yorick:
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Yorick, you still have not responded to my 20% request. Apparently, you want it all. Your way or the highway. I now resort to acting like you: Will you please quit ducking and answer the dang question.
1. Are you willing to give me a measley 1 in 5 bars? Or, must you insist on having ALL my liberty to smoke?
2. What about my proposed compromise.
God, this is frustrating. If you were not so guilty of doing that which you accuse others of doing, I would not be so concerned.
I DEMAND AN ANSWER.
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I answered Timber. There's no way that such a propsal would work in New York, and even if it did, it would be creating segregation of the workforce. If for example, those 20% were found to make more money in tips, nonsmoking waitstaff would be put in a terrible dillemma. One should not have to risk their health to make a decent wage.
Secondly, every worker has the right to a smoke free workplace. Every worker. No worker should be subjected to tobacco while they work. If those bars were self serve, then maybe that's an option. [/QUOTE]1. I answered the "untennable" nature of this in my last post. It's untrue, businesses change around ALL THE TIME. In Chicago this is true. It's true in New YOrk as well. Heck, the Soup Nazi was a major hit in New York -- but only for one mere episode of Seinfeld.
This very "alive" nature of the businesses is quite common.
2. If only 20% of the bars (not other places -- ONLY BARS) were smoking, the wait staff would face no dilemma. Those wanting to work in N/S enviro would have fully 80% of bars, 100% of restaurants, and 100% of hotels, museums, and amusement venues to work in. To argue that those 20% on aggregate pay more in tips is just a silly stretch -- especially since
I happen to know the smoking section ALWAYS tips worse in the aggregate.
Been there, done that -- in no less than 5 restaurants and 2 bars where I've worked.
3. It's not segregation of the workforce anymore than other special building permits are -- such as the trendy loft levels, spiral stairwells, open elevators, and mosh pits in clubs. There are a number of ways to customize your venue, and this should be one of them.
It is becoming blatantly obvious that you will have the world 100% your way no matter what. Your unwillingness to compromise is amazing. You are now taking tangential, meaningless concerns and putting them above my liberty. You are not acting in favor of your health at this point, you are actin 100% on your 100% abhorence of smoking, and you are forcing your will on me. It is getting sad.
