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Old 05-13-2003, 02:13 PM   #174
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Join Date: June 24, 2002
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Age: 51
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Lady Liberty weeps. Nanny culture opens the door wide for mob rule.
Naaaa, she doesn't just weep. She was beaten, raped, and sold into corporate slavery long ago .... but I digress .....

Yorick, true liberty is about choices and letting others live to pursue their own version of paradise. I don't smoke (well, the occasional cigar ...) but I don't want to remove peoples choice to do so. People should be able to make both good and bad desicions about their life. Free will is a double edged sword.

Just to pick up some of the aguments here. Music, sustained sound levels about 80 dB will cause hearing imparment. The lenght of imparment is variable. Now dB is measured by the reciever (person), not the generator, because sound attenuates over distance. Most clubs and concerts have the generated sound (at the cone) well in excess of 110 dB - the effect upon a person is varient depending on the shape and size of the venue. Yes there are sound ordinaces, but they are not enforced unless a complaint is made. Now, if I want to enjoy the entertainment, I need to make a health risk choice. Do I enter the establishment or not. How close do I get to the speakers? Otherwise I am free to forgo the entertainment.

Now to the hypothetical single mother waitress, who can only find a job in a rock 'n' roll club. For her health concerns, using your position, it is reasonable to put a sound restriction of 75 dB - peak at the cone! This now makes your chosen profession much more difficult as a performance musician in any but the tiniest of venues. And the limited exposure you now have due to limited ticket sales puts your job in jepardy for health reasons.

Of course, that single mother does have the choice to not work there. Or if she needs the job temporarily, she can find other work later comensurate with her skills, or she can improve her skillset and her marketability.

Tyranny can be applied by a plurality just as easy as a singularity. The Founding Fathers of this country recognised the dangers of true democracy as well as the benefits, and set up the original limited government to try to prevent the tyranny of the masses as well. Laws that force things upon others, for what ever good intention just set up future abuses for less well intentioned reasons.

Side note the "public deceny laws" IMO are redickulus, just as drug laws are. While I wouldn't masterbate in the town square, there doesn't need to be a law against it. These types of laws have grounding in our Puritanical roots and are just about controling personal behaviours, not protecting the well being of the community.
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