Ironworks Gaming Forum - View Single Post - Smoking Ban part 2, original by Timber Loftis

Mordenheim · 05-13-2003, 12:58 PM

Walking outside for two minutes has no bearing on the issue. The issue has been raised several times. I think some of us are more worried about a trend or a thought pattern that gives way to this type of law.

There are plenty of places that exclude and do it in a legal manner. All kinds of private clubs that excluse all types of people based on religion, gender, race, and other factors. That is something you deal with in a free society.

The problem here is those fine people gave not one though to people who smoked. I am not saying everyone should not be treated equal but that is not what happened. Listening to you Yorick is frightning. You can't get past "my" "I" to see the bigger picture that I am sure you could care a less about.

Had people got together and made way for non-smoking and smoking bars then the issue would have been much better resolved. Let us stop beating around the real issue though. These same people see a America where smoking is a banned illegal act. At the very best they see a America where smoking is something you should do with the local heroine addict in a corner far from society. They can't ban smoking outright so they chip away at it. They create this massive hysteria and you can create anough radicals to make a stir. Why exactly do you reward 600 million to one single man who got cancer? To kill the company of course. Why do you make smoking illegal in ALL bars instead of doing the right thing and having two places where each can go? To make smokers feel ashamed and not worthy of doing such a vile act in public of course. The market would handle both just fine I believe since alcholism is so rampant. The truth is they do not WANT any place a smoker can feel at ease. I know it, you know it, we all know it and that is the problem.

I watch this issue and I can't help but give a nod to those who set it all up. Clever move and even here in America we have people saying it is just fine because who cares.. "it's a smoker" afterall who is killing every little child and woman. Yet the evidence show's FAR greater evils that do FAR greater damage to the public. I don't take rights and freedom lightly and no matter my opinion on smoke it is a non-factor. A FAIR AND EQUAL conclusion was never tried nor considered. So go ahead and not respond to 90% of my post and pick what you feel you can attack. Just remember that no amount of debate is going to change this fact : When you make the LEGAL act of smoking ILLEGAL in a PRIVATE owned establishment then you ARE discriminating. So enjoy it folk's and be glad to wear the "tearing down America one freedom at a time" hat.

I'll have a smoker over my house before I will have some no good drunk anyday of the week. I was raised around smoking and my phsyical was 100%. Must be one of the lucky ones like all the others huh.

05-13-2003, 12:58 PM	#137
Mordenheim Elminster Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Icewind Dale Age: 47 Posts: 432	Walking outside for two minutes has no bearing on the issue. The issue has been raised several times. I think some of us are more worried about a trend or a thought pattern that gives way to this type of law. There are plenty of places that exclude and do it in a legal manner. All kinds of private clubs that excluse all types of people based on religion, gender, race, and other factors. That is something you deal with in a free society. The problem here is those fine people gave not one though to people who smoked. I am not saying everyone should not be treated equal but that is not what happened. Listening to you Yorick is frightning. You can't get past "my" "I" to see the bigger picture that I am sure you could care a less about. Had people got together and made way for non-smoking and smoking bars then the issue would have been much better resolved. Let us stop beating around the real issue though. These same people see a America where smoking is a banned illegal act. At the very best they see a America where smoking is something you should do with the local heroine addict in a corner far from society. They can't ban smoking outright so they chip away at it. They create this massive hysteria and you can create anough radicals to make a stir. Why exactly do you reward 600 million to one single man who got cancer? To kill the company of course. Why do you make smoking illegal in ALL bars instead of doing the right thing and having two places where each can go? To make smokers feel ashamed and not worthy of doing such a vile act in public of course. The market would handle both just fine I believe since alcholism is so rampant. The truth is they do not WANT any place a smoker can feel at ease. I know it, you know it, we all know it and that is the problem. I watch this issue and I can't help but give a nod to those who set it all up. Clever move and even here in America we have people saying it is just fine because who cares.. "it's a smoker" afterall who is killing every little child and woman. Yet the evidence show's FAR greater evils that do FAR greater damage to the public. I don't take rights and freedom lightly and no matter my opinion on smoke it is a non-factor. A FAIR AND EQUAL conclusion was never tried nor considered. So go ahead and not respond to 90% of my post and pick what you feel you can attack. Just remember that no amount of debate is going to change this fact : When you make the LEGAL act of smoking ILLEGAL in a PRIVATE owned establishment then you ARE discriminating. So enjoy it folk's and be glad to wear the "tearing down America one freedom at a time" hat. I'll have a smoker over my house before I will have some no good drunk anyday of the week. I was raised around smoking and my phsyical was 100%. Must be one of the lucky ones like all the others huh.