[Yorick]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: I smoke, cheap foul smelling cigars, if you don't like it don't come to my house. I smoke at work if you don't like it don't patronize my business. But It WILL be a cold day in "Hale" before I'm forced to stop, they'll plant my red-neck rear end in the ground before I'm forced to doing anything I don't want to do.

No-one's forcing you to stop smoking. What are you talking about John?

The law is catching up with smoking in public places. Places where nonsmokers have had to endure smokers inconsideration for years now.

Planes, trains, and now bars are gradually becoming places where those of us ALERGIC to tobacco, no longer have to avoid, or endure smoke under duress. Why should I have to give up singing in public because people don't have the courtesy to not smoke around non smokers?

Most smokers just don't give a shyt. I've seen smokers blow smoke over people (who don't have a cigarette) like they hold them in disdain, Which they don't. Many don't ask. I am so appreciative when a smoker ASKS if I mind if they smoke near me. Frighteningly rare though.

So now, finally smokers are forced to be considerate of others. If you want a cig, smoke at home, outside, in private, just not around nonsmokers or in public places where your choice to smoke overrides the nonsmokers choice not to. [/QUOTE]What the "Hale"! You are saying that a bar that is owned by a private individual, private company, Or PUBLIC TRADED COMPANY for that matter is a public place? Have you lost your mind? It's not a public place it's called private property. There is noway around that FACT. Sorry but you are not going to even have that point at all. If you try to sing in a bar and the bar owner doesn't want you there and tells you to leave, if you don't leave it is CRIMIMAL TRESPASS and you go to jail, DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT $200, period end of story. Where's your public place now? HHHHHMMMMMMM? So yes they are FORCING me to STOP, in those locations. Noway arround it at all. Yes Miss Reeka ma'am, that does smack of communism!, Nazism, or any other Totalitarism that anybody wishes to label it. There is a world of differance in the owner of the busines saying he doesn't want smoking in their business and the Government telling a business owner that they MUST not have smoking in their business.

I pulled this gem out and qouted it in full So now, finally smokers are forced to be considerate of others. If you want a cig, smoke at home, outside, in private, just not around nonsmokers or in public places where your choice to smoke overrides the nonsmokers choice not to. you just testified against yourself and for me, please note the word force. normaly at this time if I was going to be mericful I would say "The prosecution rests" but tonight I'm not "feeling" mericful, which is ok since it's a "FEELING

Smokers distain nonsmokers, that very well maybe, but it's not against the law to distain others. How do you know if an individual is distaining another or not distaining another? Can you see into their heart? Show me the nail holes in your hands, your feet, or where the spear piereced your side that qualifies you to make that kind of judgment into another's heart? If they are there then you can appear beside me right now as I'm writing this... Nope no appearance. That point is mute, as you already tesified in your above quote "Which they don't".
I appeciate alot of things, but does that give me the right to make others bend to my will? Or you the right to make others bend to your will? If it does then it works BOTH ways! It is my will that the non smoker shut up about it. I'll bet right now that there is going to be a lot of flak about my stament of will by people not wanting to bend to my will that want me to bend to thiers. Any takers on that bet?

Show me ONE verifable death that has come from second hand smoke! "Hale" you can even enlist the help of the good Doctor Attilaus (I knew I'd blow the spelling) to help you in your search. I'm sure he has access to the world's major medical journals and studies and could help you in that quest. But don't hold your breath to find even ONE verifiable case.

Let's be honest here (and it's been my experiance that not a whole "Hale" of a lot of people possess suficant testoterone producing glands to be honest) the majority of non smokers don't like smoking because they think smoking is yucky and smells bad. I think alot of things are yucky smell bad, sound bad, look bad, taste bad or feel (as in the sense of touch) bad. Are you going to give me the same right to decide what can and can't be done by you. As you are demanding I give you. If not it is complete Hypocriacy, noway around that either.

As you (universal "you" for anyone wishing to enter in to this scrap) can tell I got a dog in this fight and you better pack your lunch and come loaded for bear, because you're going to be at it for a looooonnnngggg time. You better come with verifiable facts and not "feelings" because I'll use my "feelings" agianst you. You will HAVE to submit to my "feelings" if you try to make me submitt to your "feelings" or face the fact of your Hypocriacy. [/QUOTE]John what the hell is your problem man? You live in a representative democracy. The will of the people has been voiced. Nonsmokers have had it with smokers lighting up and rudely polluting our air. It's so easy. GO OUTSIDE. Simple. Not a big dif in your life, but a huge deal to the asthmatic, the girl with bronchitis, the waitress who HAS to make ends meet, the singer, the tobacco allergic person, the guy who's trying to quit smoking, the athlete or any other human that can't stand the smell, or effects of tobacco.

When you smoke around me in a bar, you make a decision for both of us. Now, the will of the people has been enacted. A believer in the democratic process accepts rulings that go against them John. The dictatorial fascist is the one who disregards the democratic process and does whatever they want at the expense of others benefits.

It's so not a big deal to you in the scheme of things. I don't understand this anger at all. If I'm around an alcoholic, I restrict my freedom out of consideration for them, and choose not to drink. That is consideration. Postponing my enjoyment so that the health of another is not affected is no big deal.

Same with smoking. Take the minute to walk out the door, have your cig, then walk back in. It's no not a big deal mate.

[ 05-12-2003, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]