[Melusine]

I fully agree with Groj here Hugh. You're so adamant on this issue you're not even TRYING to see what I'm saying (or what anyone else is). Don't give me that "ignore more experimental, longer songs simply because they are harder to get into" stuff mate, when I myself listen to frikken classical and 'harder to get into' music ONLY. Puh-lease.
I know you are hugely and widely experienced in the world of music but that doesn't mean you can discount others' experiences (as in: I tell you I know a band who deliberately recorded a crappy song, you have never heard of something that, so you discount it completely.)
I've tried my best and you should know how much I'm on your side... but there's just no arguing with you in this manner, Hugh.