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Originally posted by MagiK:
With all due respect Ms. Willow  I must disagree. When all was said and done, NONE of the experts against SHS could point to any study that didn't eventually rely on the intitial EPA study. If there were any studies available I would have expected the people speaking for the Various anti-smoke associations to have trotted them out.....
P&T seem to do a reasonable amount of research on their topics. All of the data presented by the "experts" against SHS, relied on the EPA study which has since been invalidated.....on the other hand, Im no MD and have done no research myself...sooooo Im just going with what was presented by P&T and what I have read elsewhere.
It should be noted that neither Penn nor Teller are smokers.
Those estimates of SHS deaths are speculation and predictions...no names, just numbers, unless you have a different list.
Do I think breasthing in particulates is good for you? not especially, but in the natural world, the air is not free of particulates either, there has always been harmful crap in the air, lets not use Junk science to vilify one over the other.
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And with all due respect the EPA report is based on the initial research,
NOT the other way around. [img]tongue.gif[/img] And when I mention studies above, I am not talking about governmetal or even governmental funded studies (or ACA/ALA).
Rather individual papers from non funded studies by individual researchers. This has nothing to do with statistics, rather they investigate a possible relation between SHS and cancer, chronic airway disease (which can also kill) etc. Hand thise papers over to EPA and they´ll sort out the bits and pieces they want.
Note: I´m not arguing against you on this one MagiK. I´m totally with you! Destroy the EPA (=junk science) and let the true scientists speek.
[ 02-24-2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]