[Alson]

Originally posted by Butterfingers: Don't get me wrong. I like mages. They are great fun. However, that said, I don't like mages.

LOL!

My favourite classes are, in this order, Bards, Druids, and Clerics. You see, I like being able to cast spells and be a holy (Or unholy) terror in combat, something that mages are unable to do.

Oh, rest assured, Mages can cast spells and be a terror on combat.
The holy thing is still debatable.

Clerics kick butt period. Most people have a very poor understanding of what clerical divine type spells do in the first place, so, they either overlook or dismiss them as being "weak" when the truth is, a well decked out cleric could wipe the floor with pretty much any other class in the game.

Just a little bit of trivia - a Wizard can cast Time Stop while staying invisible. After that, it's game over. Elemental damage be damned - besides potions, the Cleric have no defense against pure Magical damage, a la Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting. You do know that area-of-effect spells bypass spell protections, right?

There is nothing a cleric can not only nullify, but, also kill in some fashion.

I would be interested to know how a solo Cleric can kill Kangaxx. Sure, you can hit him once or twice a round with Crom for 2-4 damage, but he'll regenerate before you'll have enough time to say your god's name. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And yes, i consider the use of the Mace of Disruption too cheesy and not legitimate. Call me purist.

Silence, Miscast Magic, various blights and curses,

All are saveable spells. Without having access to Greater Malison, saveable spells become a joke at high levels - most dangerous enemies have save vs. spells of about ~4.

Where a Blade could easily take out any single class combo (Multi and dual changes the dynamic considerably) a cleric could wipe out pretty much any multi or dual combo.

How would you "wipe out" an invisible Sorcerer with Spell Immunity : Divination who decides to cast Time Stop?

A well built cleric is like a sorcerer, only a lot more dangerous, at least in the hands of a skilled player.

You must be one amazing Cleric player and a not experienced Sorcerer player to say that. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

He needs to learn no spells, just grow in power and select the right spell for the right moment. Not to mention grow in power faster. Cleric summons are generally better then anything a mage could produce.

Huh? Both can summon Skeleton Warriors and Put Fiends, but the Mordies and the Spiders give the Mage the slight edge. In addition, no divine spell can ever buff your summons like Haste and Mass Invisibility.

Don't even get me started about Project Image and Mislead again...

With spells like Wonderous Recall, they can select and learn new spells on the fly with out resting at all, which gives them a HUGE avantage. Want to switch those Holy Smites to Summon Undead, well, select, cast Recall, and, BAM! You are good to go, even in the middle of battle.

Wonderous Recall gives you a net one spell. Mages, on the other hand, can achieve Endless Spells(TM), which is a TAD better.
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But, I will let folks think what they will. It all comes down to the playstyle really, and, what works best for you.

Well said. I wholly agree. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 01-08-2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]