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aha thank you cerek [img]smile.gif[/img] thats my point too, IF it all existed then a good hearted person could get into heaven even without believing in god because god wills it, in which case the things god is supposed to have said before dont really count because thats not in keeping with his character.
Though i dont believe in god the way i see him portrayed is compasionate and the ultimate good to the point where he cares about every single blade of grass or living organism, i believe again IF heaven etc all existed that he would look at each creature, say are you reedemable? if so then your in, if not then hell, but to be unreedemable you'd have to have one evil soul.
But cloudbringer and vaskez from what i can see are saying because i dont believe in god then i dont get into heaven despite a relatively good life so far, which means my other option is hell, i cannot believe the god that they look up to so much would condemn me to hell so easily just because i dont believe.
Now its interesting that cerek believes what i believe (assuming i believed in religion) but vaskez and cloudbringer dont, yet all 3 are christians.
anyhows good post as usual cerek [img]smile.gif[/img]
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