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Originally posted by Donut but edited:
"In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule."
That's not what Islam is all about.
That should not and that will not stand in America.
Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America.
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Sorry Donut,
With respect I know you don't feel the way my post intimates. I just feel that this piece you quoted:
Quote:
Originally posted by Donut:
I found this interesting:
"Remember that Muhammad was a military leader and as such involved personally in a great deal of brutality. In the course of one battle, Muhammad's troops raid a village and kill everyone "until there was no survivor left." [Full citations provided below.] During another battle, Muhammad's troops killed many men but the "prophet" is disturbed that male infants weren't murdered too--and sends the troops back to finish the job.
The early Muslims are shown to be not only brutal but treacherous (a fact worth remembering as we consider peace treaties with Muslim nations). In one battle, the Muhammadans promised peace to a tribe nearby. Then, when the other tribe members were lulled into complacency, Muhammad massacred "all the males." They kept the women as slaves.
The hatred for other faiths that we see in modern Islam has its roots in the Quran. The book tells how the Jews of the area had offered peace and Muhammad invited them to a ceremony to declare peace. Instead, Muhammad massacred the 950 of them.
Muhammad even countenances brutality against his own people. When a group in the region reputedly insulted Allah by worshiping an idol, Muhammad led the slaughter of 3,000 people in a single day. When some of his followers strayed by following non-Islamic sex practices, Allah literally directs Muhammad to slaughter another 24,000: "take all the heads of the people and hang them up before Allah against the sun."
Under the Sharia, the Islamic law, even the slightest infractions are punished with brutal violence. Some foods were not cooked according to Halal laws? Two men were immediately executed.
The notion that Allah is a forgiving God is comical. At one point, Muhammad had led his troops to victory and then had his troops mutilate the genitalia of the opponents. He and his allies also set fire to a walled city and then waited for the victims to flee, at which point they were ambushed and slaughtered. Putting aside the historical accuracy of that account, is this really the "God of Peace" that Muslim leaders speak about?
The appalling treatment of women we see in Islamic countries today also has its roots in the Quran. When a mob of Muslims is attacking a man, he responds by offering his own daughter to be raped. Allah teaches the Muslims that to in order repopulate a diminished tribe, they should go to a nearby field, wait for the women to come out, and then kidnap, rape and marry them.
This is all very consistent with the basic theology of Islam spelled out in chilling clarity by Muhammad himself: "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Finally, if there's any doubt about the fanatical nature of the faith, it should be dispelled with this chilling passage: "Happy shall they be who take your little ones [babies] and dash them against the rock."
Hmmm, I seem to have made a few errors with the attributions. The passages you've just read are not from the Quran; they're from the Bible. Where I say Muhammad, I actually meant either Moses, Joshua, David, or another biblical figure. "I have not come to bring peace but a sword" was uttered by Jesus. When I say "Allah," I actually meant God of the Hebrew Bible. And when I refer to Muhammed's troops, I actually meant the Hebrews."
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took many things out of context, and my correct but edited quoting of you is an example of what can be done.
For more examples, if you read
Mathew Chapter 10 which has the "I have not come to bring peace but a sword" quote, you'll easily see that it was not said in the same sense as your quote describes.
"happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us - he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." comes from
Psalm 137 - The
Old Testament - which as Jesus later stated was over ridden by such words as "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."
John 13:34.
That is for Christians; the Jews may not believe in the New Testament, but Jesus - who was a Jew - also said this:
" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
I merely wish to point out with all of this, that I believe the author of your quote has missrepresented Jews and Christians through out of context passages and a lack of research.
I'm enjoying this thread so far. Cheers mate! [img]smile.gif[/img]
[ 12-23-2002, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Leonis ]