[Djinn Raffo]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: I'm still waiting for a Muslim to speak for themselves, but there seems to be plenty of information about Islam on the internet to fill the void. They may not be posting because of the negative and harsh tone that has been flung around here concerning Islam. I know Ironworks is the kind of forum that frowns upon discrimination and disrespesct of differing religions, races, ect. I would hate to think that someone would avoid posting because they feel "pre-judged" or singled out. It is apparent that Islam, like Christianity may be interpreted as violent across history, but those that practice it as violent are an extreme minority. I think arguing over who was violent first or the longest is pointless. In both cases, violence is rooted in the human interpretation and/or supposition of the spirit behind seeking communion with the divine. It's all humanity's fault! Besides, from what I have studied, a Muslim is Allah's representative in the flesh. It behooves them to have qualities of moral character (kind, merciful, compassionate) and to seek justice for wrong-doing.

Chewbacca I've debated with Muslims on the net and in person. From what I've experienced they've had no hesitation in posting, just like anyone else.

As far as arguing about who was violent first etc. You're missing the point.

1.Islams exemplar and founder was a violent military leader.
2.Islam was violent at inception. Violent conquest enabled Islams rapid expansion and growth.
3.Islams assurance of salvation is Martyrdom.
4.Islam commands Muslims to live in peace....with other Muslims.
5.The Qu'ran gives strict detail about the violent action against non-Muslims, and forbids Muslims to take Jews and Christians as friends and confidantes, nor to receive their assistance. This is very clearly written in the Qu'ran.

Christianity on the other hand
1.Had a founder and exemplar who sacrificed himself so others would live, and who prevented his followers from committing violence to save his own life.
2.Was not violent until at least 300 years later when people in power began misusing a religion of peace and love to achieve political gain. Prior to that, persecution AGAINST Christians led to the faiths rapid expansion and growth.
3.Finds assurance of salvation through accepting Jesus death in place of our own.
4.Commands us to love our enemies and pray for our persecutors
5.Gives detail about how to live in peace with people - including our enemies.[/QUOTE]Does a Muslims faith in God weigh as much as a Christians?

[ 12-22-2002, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: Djinn Raffo ]