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wow this topic suddenly picked up massively, was just me and ceric [img]tongue.gif[/img] anyhows to answer a few points -
yes ceric i agree my posts are rambling and hard to follow, but if people want to post alienating comments in reply they should read what i wrote fully IMO before passing judgement, as you seem to read them fully even if you do reread them, i agree as well my meaning is hard to follow as i find it hard to express fully in typing, but i try and i think people understand when they read it a 2nd time.
as for condescending? damn right, i was being sarcastic too, as i said its okay for me to be like that but not for a religious person to be like that when its at odds with their religion [img]tongue.gif[/img] thats how i feel on it.
as for that guy deserving the sarcasm, yeah he did bigtime, i felt like doing the same but i didnt think it right for someone who was also propounding religious views at me to two seconds later be quite mean (for want of a better word [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) to some poor newbie. Was just a point im picking up on.
Lady Blue - good point and one i been making alot - THERE IS NO PROOF! of anything so dont discount someone elses statements if your going to turn round and spout your own which too cannot be proved, thats why i say let the whole argument lie and believe what you wanna believe.
as for evolution in my own view i think its highly feasible, far more so than a divine being coming along and doing it in 7 days (6 days and a rest yeah yeah dont start on me [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and yes i think we are descended from apes and i consider us animals, just civilised ones who were lucky enough to become the dominant species on the planet. btw this brings me to another point on which ill have to use my mother as an example, do animals have souls? she says they dont therefore humans are better than animals, now im strongly against that view, i feel were equal to animals only reason were better is we can think well and eat the things, considering yourself to be better as a whole is hugely arrogant, who says animals dont have religion or morals of their own? again its arrogant to assume its only humans that do, i quite happily eat an animal of whatever description, but my reasons are simple - i like the taste and im hungry but i dont say its okay because it doesnt have a soul , thats a pathetic excuse in my opinion, is this the view of all christians that animals dont have souls? i dont know this one as only my mother said this. (i believe a soul = conciousness, your being that which is not your body, thats what you lose when you die and it goes elsewhere, so im certain animals have the same kinda thing)
and another point on evolution , everything living adapts to its environment or will die/suffer - FACT anyone want to disagree on this?
therefore you EVOLVE to adapt and it takes a long long long time, thats what mutation in DNA are about and theres plenty of proof of that happening, like insects evolving to be more resistant to chemicals, as they are infinitely less complex than humans their evolution process is far quicker and again im pretty certain thats unassailable fact, so therefore evolution is fact and not theory, as for apes becoming human thats less certain and not possible to prove though i believe it myself.
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